We’re introducing our first FanFooty player award, and one of the current co-leaders may surprise you.
I have been ruminating on this concept for a little while now. The idea is taken from FanFooty’s successful live scoring pages, which have become famous for the little icons next to most player names. indicating news about them, including form and injury status. Over time, I have developed intricate rules for how each icon is allocated and when, which are explained on the page itself as in the one for this week’s Friday night game, and I have largely followed these rules for every game.
For instance, the star is awarded only once per game, to the player who I think would be awarded best on ground, especially in the Brownlow. The gun, also awarded only once (except on very rare occasion!), is a more fantasy-specific award. The heart is usually reserved for players who play through injury or other adversity for a decent score. The “hot” symbol, known as the fireball or sun, is for players who are on track for or have reached a Dream Team ton. Finally, the garbage bin symbol is for players who rack up meaningless stats during junk time when a game is well and truly over as a contest… but those points mean just as much in Dream Team as when the heat was on!
Following these rules, I have decided to award votes for each game on the following basis:
: 5 votes
: 4 votes
: 3 votes
: 2 votes
: 1 vote
The FanFooty Superstar page lists all the votes by round and the cumulative totals. I was interested myself to see who was leading, given that I have allocated out the icons without reference to any award. Gary Ablett jnr has dropped behind with his injury layoff, leaving the ever-reliable Dean Cox and Saint Leigh Montagna in the lead. Montagna has racked up three stars, two guns and a fireball, while Cox has just the one star, a heart, four guns and a fireball. GAJ has three stars and two guns, with Steve Johnson in fourth with two stars, one heart and two guns.
I’m not sure if any conclusions can be deriven from any of this… perhaps those of you who are betting on the likes of Lenny Hayes for the Brownlow might take a second look at Montagna’s odds? Interesting to see that Leon Davis does not figure all that prominently, as he is currently second behind Ablett in the Super Coach Brownlow votes.
I don’t know what I’ll be able to do with the final results, as I’m not sure I’d be allowed to present the winner with his prize… and I don’t know what I’d give him anyway. A FanFooty cap, maybe? A permanent colour in the FF chat? 😀
MiGZ
May 26, 2009 at 2:48 am
I would have personally had the Heart and the Gun symbol swapped around. 4 point for the Gun and 3 for the Heart. But good idea none the less mOnty.
Huge Action
May 26, 2009 at 4:30 am
interesting stuff – though when it comes to the brownlow Sc scores are perhaps a more reliable source of information. though who knows what goes through the umps minds when cooney beats ablett for the charlie…
Adam
May 26, 2009 at 5:13 am
good idea but really not relevant when talking about brownlow votes. Ur icons are are all points related ie – the more you have the better the symbol u will have. What if i guy had 20 spoils and 5 smothers at centre half back and his opponent didnt touch it. Thats a best on performance but he might have had 30 DT. The points only tell you who had a lot of the footy except of course the tackles.
Tom
May 26, 2009 at 6:48 am
Interesting concept but you might have to change some symbol criteria.
eg, As it stands the symbol worth the most points has nothing to do with DT scores. The gun is also a bit problematic – prejudiced by default to the most consistent performer rather than the best on the day. And a player on 40 at 3/4 time that finishes on 70 will often get the bin, whereas a player with 95 may get nothing.
Spot the Dog
May 26, 2009 at 7:24 am
nice one monty. Not a bad system at all… i don’t see why you could’ve give the player a little trophy at the end of season… would make for pretty interesting footage actually… maybe the fanfootylow medal, or the brownfan…
Disgruntled member
May 26, 2009 at 8:23 am
Hey Monty
I am appalled with the profanity of language published on this site.
The moderators need to weed out these comments and ban continuos offenders.
The wannabe Brendon Fevola you are a disgrace,you need to understand minors are also readers of this site.
If you are looking for a kick loiter elsewhere.
SM
May 26, 2009 at 9:00 am
Surely Swan and Bartel should be in Top 10?
Hooligan
May 26, 2009 at 9:09 am
Mum likes my haircut.
Goldmoss
May 26, 2009 at 9:55 am
My only critisism with the system would be that only DT guns are eligible for the gun. Therefore its weighted (ever so slightly) towards the good players.
eg: Say Bryce Gibbs scores 104 he may well get the gun – 3 points. In the same game if Paul Bower scores 120 (and is clearly second best on ground) he can only possibly score 2 points. Its not an even playing field.
Fenez
May 26, 2009 at 10:17 am
@ adam – if a guy gets 20 spoils and 5 smothers he probably isnt gonna get any brownlow votes anyway!
Umpires dont look at backman. I agree with other comments that the heart should be lowered. I reckon down to two points, above the bin.
I think you should be giving a medal or something to the winner m0nty, because i noticed early in the year someone commented in the player chat that players dont get a medal for getting more fantasy points. Well maybe they should!
Clint
May 26, 2009 at 10:51 am
yes i agree with Migz, great concept but the Heart and Gun should be swapped around
MortGoldmon
May 26, 2009 at 11:33 am
M0nty you should incorporate the spud and the gone cold as part of the scoring system. -2 for gone cold and -5 for the spud, and send Leigh brown a bag of spuds when he wins
LeatherHed
May 26, 2009 at 11:47 am
Yea I agree star, gun, heart and sun (in that order). But im not sure that the bin counts for anything in terms of the Brownlow, as these players rack up their possessions once the game is done and dusted.
Also, @ Goldmoss, I’d argue that the brownlow is weighted (ever so slightly) towards the good players anyway..
FIRESWORD
May 26, 2009 at 12:01 pm
i disagree i think monty has it right in this order
star : 5 votes
heart : 4 votes
gun : 3 votes
sun: 2 votes
bin: 1 vote
Mackie B/E?
May 26, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Mackies BE seams a bit high. After a 101 and 72 and now it is saying his BE is 117. Seams a bit high for a 329k player.
Is this right?
FIRESWORD
May 26, 2009 at 12:18 pm
yes if he only scored 101 then 72 it is way to high…
Sammy H
May 26, 2009 at 12:29 pm
No update again, Monty? Just this rubbish?
OK, back to footy tragic. At least those guys keep their promises.
mackie
May 26, 2009 at 12:31 pm
his be is 77
peppers
May 26, 2009 at 12:32 pm
yeah you would probably need to change the criteria for each symbol. For example, there would be about 7 ‘guns’ playing in say a Geelong versus St Kilda game. Is it fair to only award a single gun in this game? Players in good teams would be penalised by this system (i.e. Joel Corey).
As an aside, perhaps you also give points to players who are ‘UP’ on their usual average but do not qualify for other points…
The black monkey
May 26, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Why isn’t it:
5: star
4: gun
3: heart
2: hot
1: bin
or you don’t even really need the bin because Travis Cloke didn’t deserve a vote in round 2.
where has that mitch kid gone he was doing and alright job of those round wraps.
you did well last week monty with the review after each night but this week all you give us is the footy superstar?
sc scores are a little more relavant when it comes to BOG’s
also YES the idea of permanant colour in ff chat would be good for winner
Lakey91
May 26, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Oh montagna does not surprise me at all! Had him from the start and has provide some outstanding scores this far. Absolute beauty!
Looks a good system monty – i like it.
Lakey91
May 26, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Oh, and i dont think bowden would be in the 5 :p
Toolavich
May 26, 2009 at 1:33 pm
It all adds to the fun of it Monty with a serious edge.
Keep up the great work!
Would like to see a few more funny icons along the lines of the famous spud.
Try not to take much notice of the kiddies chucking tanties either. Might be an idea Monty as * Disgruntled member * above suggests to start handing out weekend suspensions to incessant abusers on the live chat on game days.
Cheers.
Bleh
May 26, 2009 at 1:40 pm
The bin should be removed as it is only rewarded to those who scored well when the game was already over. Thus meaning they had very little impact on the game and don’t deserve much recognition.
Instead maybe a 3-2-1 point system:
Star: 3
Gun/Heart: 2
Hot: 1
ckson
May 26, 2009 at 2:07 pm
stupid idea… dont flatter urself monty comparing this to the brownlow..
Grinners
May 26, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Interesting to not that there are 5 games you have awarded no Gun and 4 with no Star. That despite some fantastic performances in those games (fantasy and general.) Ryder’s Anzac game being o prime example.
By your own definition the star is for the player most likely to get best on ground, so there should be one in EVERY game. I can only assume in the games where you haven’t awarded a star that the umpires will agree not to give out the 3 Brownlow votes as no one was deserving.
Nice system you have going. :S
Oxym0ron
May 26, 2009 at 3:08 pm
In context m0nty, I don’t think a fireball is worth 2 point and the gun only worth 3
I would give the fireball 1 point
I think you might use this for a rough guide on the Brownlow which is a flawed system anyway.
This also conjures up the SC and DT argument for me because I think effective use is a very much better measure of a great footballer.
rob85
May 26, 2009 at 3:38 pm
@ Grinners!!
I’ll think you will find that Ryder got a medal on anzac day…which is the same as the star!!
@ Everyone that thinks m0nty is trying to be serious.
m0nty is just putting a number value on his symbols for a bit of fun and so you can see what it would look like. He is not suggestiong that who ever wins it you should be your house on for the brownlow! Get a life and smile once in a while will you.
@ EVERYONE
I have been looking at this site for just over a year. It has been getting worse. and it isn’t m0ntys fault. Alot of people come here just to argue and say stupid things just to get a rise from people.
I also hate on the chats where people are hoping players of our great game to get injuried. Or where they abuse great players of our game because they aren’t scoring 100 points for them. I can assure you that every player on every AFL list gives 100 percent ever time they step on to the field.
Here is a plea to all that use Fanfooty. For the greater good can we all just grown up and use this site for what it was intended. A great source to share and to gather information for our fatansy side.
Take fantasy football for what it is, A fun game that gets people involved and interested in every game that is played on the weekend.
Maybe some of you might want to go watch a game (god knows our teams need it) and not sit in front of the computer screen and watch your numbers go up.
Black Cock
May 26, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Monty i would give the fireball 1 point, although this is an interesting concept keep up the good work.
Toolavich
May 26, 2009 at 3:47 pm
@ rob85 *claps*
jarrad
May 26, 2009 at 3:50 pm
disgruntled member dont be such a pansie
no-one cares about swearing anymore
Brady
May 26, 2009 at 4:02 pm
yeah
heart and gun should be swapped around
i hate glen jakovich
May 26, 2009 at 4:12 pm
cool concept monty. but switch heart and gun.
Pierce (Environment) Brosnan
May 26, 2009 at 4:13 pm
@ rob85
You’ve been using this site now for over a year, noticed that it’s been progressively getting worse and somehow it’s not Montys fault? It’s his fault and any other administrator who is involved with sites fault. The last several weeks have been a joke.
I only use this site for the delayed scores on free to air games and can’t remember the last time a Friday night game had delayed scores available from the first bounce. It usually works about midway through the second quarter and if lucky remains for the rest of the game, but this of late has been a stretch.
If someone could tell me of another site which has delayed scores I would glady pierce off.
And for those of you about to have a crack at me over my comments please accept my “eat a fat one” in advance.
randy
May 26, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Think the idea is a waste of time. If this site is about fantasy foty then the player with the most points at the end of the season should win. Simple.
None of the other crap is relevant.
The black monkey
May 26, 2009 at 4:29 pm
@ Pierce
Firstly do you have a life?
Secondly we all hope you PISS off because you’re not doing this site any good whatsoever.
Go create your own website that gets as many hits as this.
p.s i’d rather not eat your fat one
stick to protecting the environment
create a website for that, tell us all and i would take pleasure in bagging it along with the others here
taylz
May 26, 2009 at 4:34 pm
PIERCE URE A KNOB i only use this site for delayed games but im on here right now reading this blog and leaving a reply. so clearly im an egg and lie and dont make sense. so eat my fat one cause im a loser.
i hate glen jackovich
May 26, 2009 at 4:38 pm
shut up pierce u poof, u complaining abot a fantasy footy site. GET A LIFE!
Jacko
May 26, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Monty, i think i would still prefer a weekend wrap than this. an interesting(ish) read but thats it.
hilly
May 26, 2009 at 4:53 pm
The BE’s are dodgy, whats going on
Swan had 97 and 158 and you have his BE at 153… It seems about 70 or 80 too high to me
BIG dean COX
May 26, 2009 at 4:56 pm
@Pierce
I agree that this site has been substandard of late. You are entitled to complain. Of course Monty does a good job, but lets not forget he makes money off this site. If people are paying to advertise on his site and the site is crashing or really crap, then Monty is not honouring his investors.
Don’t forget everyone..this site is not made totally out of love for fantasy footy…Monty also make cash from it.
So people are allowed to complain if the site is shit.
At least Pierce is trying to save the environment!! What did you ever do?
PS Monty, please remove your photo from your posts as it makes me want to vomit.
hilly
May 26, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Agree about the photo…
Not a good looking bloke
BIG dean COX
May 26, 2009 at 5:02 pm
just kidding monty you are a sexy man…………..deeeeliiiciuos……..mmmmm cherry flavoured!!
crazytoma
May 26, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Hello Monty and thanks for your website.
I too am growing concerned at the lack of delayed scores for a friday night game.
How else can I follow my 4 zeros each week without ruining the match result?
Is there a particular cause for the problem?
@rob85
Part of the fun of fantasy footy is hoping dane swan does his knee so I win against my eliminator opponent. It’s not personal, but everyone except you does it.
Example, Roger Hayden flowered his calf. Makes me happy because I have Broughton and Pearce(not enviroment Pierce) in my team. But I don’t have anything against Hayden.
So this week Rob85…you get the CHOP!!!!
Go warnedawgs you are legend!!!!
crazytoma
May 26, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Kind of look like John “true blue” Williamson???
Locky
May 26, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Monty, have u considered an icon for downhill skiiers? Players whose fantasy scores are only high when their teams are winning? (ie Milne and Stokes) or conversely an uphill skiier icon for when their teams are losing and as a result have very few points to their name?
Raf
May 26, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Monty, there’s a few games on the Superstar list which have no star awarded: e.g. Ess v Coll on Anzac Day, North v Port in Round 7 and a few others. Any plans to go back and fix those games now that it “matters” for something?
Raf
May 26, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Actually, since Leon Davis would have got the star or at least the gun on Anzac Day, that’s probably one of the reasons his score is not that prominent…
oddsok
May 26, 2009 at 5:46 pm
One aspect I do not like about this approach is that it favours players that are ‘expected’ to do well. For example look at Leon Davis. He has been outstanding in DT this year, but at the beginning of the year no one would’ve seen him as a ‘gun’, therefore he was getting firballs over guns, and is now getting guns over fireballs. A similar thing applies to Montagna, I persoanlly wouldn’t have thought of him as a DT gun and therefore he’d be getting more fireballs than guns.
Disgruntled member
May 26, 2009 at 5:58 pm
@ Jarrad
You clearly did not see the comments that were written as Monty has deleted it.
Hopefully that idiot will be banned for the rest of the year.
PS: I am no pansie, just a dad who has an 11 year old, who shares this site with me.