1 tombstone, 10 red crosses, 3 hazard signs, 28 band-aids and two pows. What a week for fantasy football coaches.
I have copied and pasted the report that appears on the front page of FanFooty under the scores on the weekend. I think I’ll start doing this every week on the blog, so that you lot can discuss the implications of the round’s injuries.
INJURIES
Nick Riewoldt: Hip problem in Q1 then rolled left ankle in Q2 then pulled right hamstring in Q2 with speculation it was torn off the bone… no space to lead into with Pies flooding back… 5 possessions on Prestigiacomo
Jay Schulz: Left knee bruising in Q1 and off again in Q4 with it to get iced up… 2.1 from 14 possessions and 4 marks on Merrett
Simon Black: 10 possessions and 4 marks… left calf strain in Q2 and didn’t return after half time
Nathan Bock: Zoned off Bate for 16 possessions and 5 marks… left hamstring problem in Q3
Kurt Tippett: Warnock on him… no stats in Q1… 8 hit outs and 7 disposals with 3 marks… off in Q4 with left ankle soreness and didn’t return
Patrick Dangerfield: Nowhere in Q1… 10 handballs among 11 disposals with 2 tackles… neck injured in a gang tackle by three Dees in Q3 and stretchered off… went to hospital
Trent Hentschel: Started down back on Newton… 3 touches… right knee iced at QT
Jason Akermanis: Guerra on him… 10 disposals and 2 tackles with 3 marks… hamstring problem in Q3 and trackie dacks on
Ryan Hargrave: On Brown… 2 possessions and 0.1… copped a bump from Renouf in Q1 and looked groggy holding his neck… on the bench in trackie dacks
Josh Gibson: Stood Hall… pulled his right hamstring early in Q1 and will be out for a month
Nick Suban: Left knee twisted under a Bartel tackle in Q4 and it looked like a ligament tear… 11 possessions and 4 tackles with 2 marks
REPORTS
Ashley McGrath: Minded Ebert… 20 disposals and 9 marks… a report for an eye gouge in Q3 that the cameras caught will probably be worth a week or two
Mitchell Clark: Reported for a blatant strike to Trengove in Q1 that cut his head open and will get weeks… 21 hit outs and 13 possessions with 0.1
Hayden Ballantyne: Reported in Q1 for pinching…? 2.0 from 13 possessions… very quiet before half time but lifted after that
SORE PLAYERS
Nick Dal Santo: Tagged by Wellingham… 13 handballs among 27 touches with 7 marks… cork in the right calf in Q3
Sam Fisher: Leigh Brown tried to man him up… 28 touches and 10 marks… concussed in Q3 in a marking contest with Davis and stretchered off… back on in Q4
Jason Gram: 29 disposals and 5 marks with 1.1… ankle problem in Q3 but returned
Lenny Hayes: 27 touches and 3 marks with 3 tackles… had his nose busted open by King in a marking contest in Q3 but played on
Aaron Davey: Tagged by Reilly… 20 possessions and 6 tackles with 0.1… right hamstring soreness in Q1 and suffered through the rest of the game
Travis Cloke: First goal… Dawson on him… left ankle rolled in Q3 but returned… 1.2 from 17 possessions and 9 grabs
John McCarthy: 11 disposals and 5 tackles… right leg problem in Q2 but played on
Nathan Grima: Sore shoulder in Q1… 7 marks and 22 disposals
Leigh Adams: Corked thigh in Q2… 0.1 from 15 touches
Scott McMahon: Moved to LeCras in Q1… 17 disposals and 2 FA… sore left knee in Q3
David Hale: Copped a knock to the guts in Q1
Beau Waters: 20 disposals including 13 handballs… copped a knock to the head in Q2 but eventually returned
Danyle Pearce: Left ankle knock in Q3… 23 disposals including 17 kicks
Jackson Trengove: Cut over his left eye opened up by Clark’s strike in Q1… 14 touches plus 0.1… rotated through the ruck for 4 hit outs
Mitch Robinson: 13 disposals and 6 tackles… cork in the left thigh/knee in Q3
Chris Yarran: 1.0 from 12 touches and 3 marks… left knee knock in Q2
Bret Thornton: Left quad problem in Q1 but returned… 10 touches minding the resting ruckmen Hille and Ryder
Brock McLean: Back problem in Q1 required multiple painkillers… also an ankle knock in Q1… 6 touches and 0.1
Tayte Pears: Had his nose rearranged in Q1… 22 disposals and 7 marks standing Waite
Mark Williams: Ankle problem very early in Q1 but returned… 4.0 from 8 possessions on Jamison
Jarred Moore: Tuck on him… 1.1 from 13 possessions with 7 marks and 3 tackles… left ankle twisted in Q2 and barely used after that
Richard Tambling: The Sydney effect worked its magic… 9 possessions including 5 handballs
Liam Picken: Tagged Bateman… left eye problem in Q2… 10 possessions and 2 marks plus 0.1… right ankle in Q4
Tom Williams: Morton his man… 13 touches and 3 marks… left knee knock in Q2
Roger Hayden: Minded Chapman… 13 touches and 4 marks… cramp in a thigh in Q4
Michael Barlow: Tagged by Ling until Ling’s injury then went head to head with Selwood… 17 possessions and 1.0… hurt his ribs in a clash with Chapman in Q2
Cameron Ling: Tagged Barlow to start… copped Johnson’s knee in his left ribs in a marking contest and looked to be hurt… returned in Q2 but stayed forward… 20 touches and 6 tackles
Shannon Byrnes: 16 possessions including 10 handballs with 3 tackles… Van Berlo on him… left ankle twisted in Q3
CONCUSSED PLAYERS
Relton Roberts: Second game… Shaw his man… 0.1 from 6 disposals… headclash with Vickery in Q4 had him stretchered off
Jordan Lewis: 13 handballs among 22 disposals with 6 marks and 3 FA… KOed by Harbrow going back for a mark in Q2 and stretchered off… returned in Q4 for a few extra stats
Monaco
April 11, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Well ill go first then. I red on AFL.com that Roo will be 9 weeks Minimum, Having surgery tomorrow.
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 10:39 pm
I got 2391 in SC which isnt a bad effort considering I had Roo and tippet on the ground, and I stupidly picked Goodesy over GAJ to capatin this round. I only did that once before to a fit GAJ and he got 206. Should have not been so silly.
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 10:40 pm
I’ve already traded out Roo for Rioli
Ravalle
April 11, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Will probably be midweek til we have any idea on Dangerfield but dont care about Tippets injury I am swinging the axe on him have run out of patience!
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 10:45 pm
My back line gave me 805 pts – helps when blokes like Goodwin, Hodge and Malceski all go big
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 10:46 pm
A few months ago, a fellow Supercoach came to me with some strange claims about how every AFL game in SC seems to add up to around 3300 pts for the 44 players playing in each of the 8 games per round.
Today I did some basic accounting by adding up the totals of each game – Fanfooty.com.au was the source. And they do all add up to 3300 within a maximum – of 11 pts.
3301 pts Geel – Freo
3300 pts WB – Haw
3297 pts Mel – Adel
3311 pts Syd – Rich
3299 pts Carl – Ess
3302 pts PA – BL
3304 pts Nth – WC
3303 pts StK – Coll
I have no idea how this is worked out? I know that Champion data supply the HeraldSun with the stats feed. I haven’t compared this Dreamteam stats. How can each game with so many variables like injuries, game time, weather, ground sizes allways add up to approx 3300 pts? Beats me.
DT=Life
April 11, 2010 at 10:48 pm
League ranking going from 1 to 6700 isn’t very nice haha =P I hope we’re still on top when afl.com sorts it out. Other than that the reiwoldt injury brings up a number of options (perhaps you can write a blog on the choices available m0nty?) and tippet probably has to go, but if you’ve got him in the rucks there’s no-one to go to! What a bad year for rucks hey, 4 in the top 8 price-drops.
Harvrave will be very popular in 2 weeks
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 10:49 pm
About Tippet, the Roo – Rioli trade left me an agonising $600 short of the required $$ to trade out Tippet for Sandilands – not happy Jan – thinking either Kreuzer or Ryder, maybe Macca dunno. Not gonna touch those Sydney recyclables – they are gonna be like a hand grenade
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Jolly looks like he isnt fitting in to Collingwoods ever evolving stoppage play system. They dont really stop much – just keep the ball moving ever so slowly.
DT=Life
April 11, 2010 at 10:52 pm
oh and chucknorris thats how supercoach is set up to work. The points are allocated based on each players influence on the game rather than actually allocating a certain score to each stat. Therefore if you were the only bloke on the ground in theory you’d get 3300 even if you only have one kick.
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 10:55 pm
I may just leave Tippet on the bench and cover him with Warnock, maybe his slump will end and his injury is a small one. I know a bloke who’s copped Heath, Roo, Bock, Dangerfield,Gibson and the obligatory Tippet. He’s considering just throwing in the towell. Coulnt really blame him with that news.
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 10:58 pm
“DT=Life Says: 10:52 pm, April 11th, 2010
oh and chucknorris thats how supercoach is set up to work. The points are allocated based on each players influence on the game rather than actually allocating a certain score to each stat. Therefore if you were the only bloke on the ground in theory you’d get 3300 even if you only have one kick.”
I didnt know that. Seems a little weird dont you think. As far as I knew, each player got points for good possies and minus for bad ones
Effective kick 4 Points
Ineffective kick 0 Points
Clanger kick -8 Points
Handball effective 2 Points
Ineffective handball 0 Points
Handball clanger -6 Points
Handball receive 1 Point
Hardball get 4 Points
Loose-ball get 4 Points
Goal 8 Points
Behind 1 Point
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession) 1 Point
Mark contested (maintaining possession) 6 Points
Mark uncontested (from opposition) 4 Points
Mark contested (from opposition) 8 Points
Tackles 4 Points
Free kick for 4 Points
Free kick against -6 Points
Hitout to Advantage 3 Points
So this isnt it DT?, there is more on top of this??????????????
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 11:00 pm
“Unlike other games, Herald Sun TAC SuperCoach uses Champion Data’s exclusive stats system to assess each player’s contribution to your team. At the end of each match, Champion Data will calculate players’ final ranking and this score will be added to your team’s total”
DT=Life
April 11, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Yeah its very complicated how it works but there are considerably more statistics involved including the state of the actual game score when these stats are recorded amongst other things. It is possible that after calculating all scores they are simply standardised and rounded so that they reach 3300. I personally don’t play SC and champion data keep the formula as a closely guarded secret so that is as much as I know.
gools
April 11, 2010 at 11:03 pm
In laymens terms they do it as a scaling tool to adjust a players score according to his impact on the game rather then pure possessions – so they can take points off players with cheap possies and add points to players with important ones, so you get an idea of the players worth as to their slice of that 3300 But thats a topic for another discussion!
Didn’t have roo but the gibson injury hurt me
gools
April 11, 2010 at 11:06 pm
the 3300 figure was a figure they came to after analysing a heap of games and that was usually the average amount of points they found they’d allocated. an example of the scaling is duffield today got a huge bonus for kicking the last “winning” goal even though his score wasn’t close to 140 odd
DT=Life
April 11, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Example of how it may work:
(3300)/(total player scores in match)=y
y * players original score = players final score.
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 11:09 pm
If you have an X and Y axis grading system – teams like Richmond u would be well advised to stay well away from – I need to do some more research – it may have some serious flaws
chucknorris
April 11, 2010 at 11:11 pm
The Crows are in for one tough year.
gools
April 11, 2010 at 11:17 pm
they have some magic numbers which they times points by according to the time of the game and circumstances of the possession. too complicated to bother worrying about, its designed to favour players who will get important possies rather then junk stats
hawk_88
April 11, 2010 at 11:30 pm
@chucknorris
3300 is the key SC number. As they have said, the scoring system is design such that each game adds up to 3300. There is no flaw in this part of the system I assure you.
This is what is called normalisation in statistics. It assumes each match is equal (which in AFL it is, each is worth 4 points on the ladder). Therefore by normalising the scores, it accounts of various variables like weather/wind, size/shape of the ground etc. Basically anything that could make it easier or harder to register a stat during any given match.
DT=Life’s formula is exactly how it would be calculated, however the actual raw scores (before they are normalised) are calculated in a much more complex way than your list. Factors that are taken into account include period of the match, scoreboard pressure, effectiveness of disposal as well as some very subjective factors like “winning goal” and difficulty of disposal.
There are many other factors that make the SC scoring system more complex (and in my opinion better) however that is the explanation of 3300. The scores weren’t all exactly 3300 due to rounding errors as each score has to be an integer.
korza
April 12, 2010 at 9:01 am
Absolute carnage.
Romacrow98
April 12, 2010 at 10:43 am
4 crow injuries that is a big number for injuries
Arky
April 12, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Shocking week (worst weekly ranking I remember having in 4 or 5 years of DTing). A captain who scored 20, a mere 3 century makers (Harvey, Pav and Hodge), lots of underwhelming scores, Morabito on the bench outscoring EVERY mid on the ground including Bartel… really bad week.
The “good” news is that I “only” have Riewoldt, Bock and Heath Shaw injured, plus Clark and Ballantyne facing the tribunal. Ballantyne’s report was a joke but Clark might get a week off. That could be a good thing, he gets a week to build fitness, and I get another week to see how the rucks are shaking out while Clark’s price is frozen…
Hopefully Shaw is back, Bock’s injury is short-term. Jonno Brown is the obvious Riewoldt replacement for me, doesn’t seem much reason to be adventurous on this one.
Arky
April 12, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Imagine if your starting team had all of Hargrave, Bock, Heath Shaw, Riewoldt, Dangerfield, any two non-Sandilands rucks, one or more forwards out of Tippett, Lockyer, Davis, Didak, Stevie J, Fev…. throw in an injured or underperforming mid like Black or Cassissi, and you would totally give up. And yet your team would have looked quite good in pre-season!
magpies76
April 12, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I got 2351 with Riewoldt captain and Ablett VC and Shaw on the bench. Last week I had Swan skipper and if I had Ablett skipper both weeks, I would be in the top 10 in SC overall. Spewing.
Travis32
April 12, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Horrible round for me – 550 less in SC than last week. Bock, Hargraves, Tippett, Dangerpants and Roo. Wow.
thollo
April 12, 2010 at 6:28 pm
I did some research on dangerfield’s injury, and it seems like he will be out for 2-4 weeks, depending on how bad the sprain was. No serious damage thank God.
Slashers
April 12, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Add to all this the 4 Richmond players suspended including Cousins.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/92154/default.aspx
MR KING
April 12, 2010 at 7:08 pm
ohh sh** i have tippet dangerfield and mcgrath and only 1 trade since i traded out koschitzke for chapman
MR KING
April 12, 2010 at 7:22 pm
ohh and also i have ballantyne but he should not get suspended like really who gets suspended for pinching 🙁
HintT
April 12, 2010 at 8:41 pm
I’ve only had 2 injuries so far: Ottens and Roo. I’m considering myself lucky. 😀
ManZzZoid
April 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm
The reason I like the AFL DT better than SC…
AFL DT has live scores, – you can watch the game and know when a kick is a kick and a tackle is a tackle. SC you have to wait for the next day for the results to come through!
MR KING
April 12, 2010 at 10:53 pm
@HintT im happy now coz ballaz is clear and dangerfield will most likely to play and i might trade mcgrath so i just hope tippet plays
jameswilso
April 12, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Escaped unscratched thank god
MR KING
April 12, 2010 at 11:00 pm
oyy monty there is 11 red crosses not 10
thollo
April 12, 2010 at 11:02 pm
one is a tombstone MR KING
wozman
April 13, 2010 at 12:41 am
Does anyone know the extent of Kurt Tippets ankle injury and if he will play this week ? With Danger and Roo indefinates, kurt can move into cover a forward position and have warnock start.
Arky
April 13, 2010 at 12:42 am
8 weeks for Connors! Wonder what he did (and geez, rotten luck to people who had him in DT!)
Trav0
April 13, 2010 at 7:25 am
Roo, Hargrave, Danger, Mclean, Prismall, netted me 89 SC points this week!! awesome!!
and it could be 0 this week, with Roo out(obviously hes getting traded), Danger & Hargrave in doubt, Prismall doing shit at bendigo and mclean sore..
Marcz
April 13, 2010 at 2:40 pm
i warned all u tippett owners the guy is gonna be in and out all year! now he has ankle probs to go with his knee tendonitis
wozman
April 13, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Thanks for the input marcz you monday morning quarterback, however your input doesnt really answer my qn, does it ?
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chucknorris
April 13, 2010 at 10:31 pm
I reckon AFL footy is a f.ckin joke. These clubs go out at the start of every season and say they’re destitute (or broke like PA) yet they’re players are being paid upwards of $600K a year. Soi Jimmy in West Footscray scraping in his puny $600 a week pay packet to pay the mortgage and feed his wife and kids goes and pay the Bulldogs $160 a year so he can go to the footy, and the club can pay Griffen $450K a year. A f.cking con. And the AFL sits on the media money like it’s it own dr.g stash. It’s a vehicle for elites to pillage at will. Anderson that little c.nt is a poster boy for this sh.t. Whilst poor west footscray Jimmy thinks Smorgon is looking after him, when in reality, if Smorgon couldnt use the club as a tax write off – he’d be out the door.It’s a scam.
Footy players are by and large – planks. they’re worth 20 bucks an hour – anything on top of that is excessive. Pay em nothin- let em out of lock up on weekends to play, then throw em back in their cell with a consenting girl a pizza, and a slab of beer. If they harm the girl – burn em at the stake as pre game entertainment the following week. That would sort any behaviour problems in 2 weeks.
chucknorris
April 13, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Sorry about the c word – missed that – apologies
Mattyo
April 14, 2010 at 2:43 am
/rant