RaisyDaisy's Preseason Team Thread

[AaronKirk]

For balance IMO go one less premo in the mids and get a Gray or Goddard into the forwards and have Belly at F5.

Generally more mid rookies get games early and more cash generation.

IMO Walker is a better pick than Simmo. Possibly Heater as well.

Excellent side none the less. You should sit on this side until NAB matches.

[RaisyDaisy]

Cheers guys

Yeah H.Goddard will be in the backline, and I'll get rid of Dick or Rainbow - cant see both Blues playing early, and there are plenty of forward rookies I can pick to replace Goddard

AK you're reading my mind - that's been my fall back plan, if more mid rookies start ill get rid of Watson or Ward and bring in Gray or Goddard :)

I understand a lot of people hesitating over Simmo after those 2 games last year were he killed us, but the guy averages 95 every single year and never misses a game. Sounds like he might even be a POD for me at this stage

[enzedder]

Nice team. I'm currently going with a few PODs...Fisher, Newnes, Greene and Lycett...and have Rich as well...if not for them my team would be structured very much like yours...I like your work.

[crowls]

Cheers guys

Yeah H.Goddard will be in the backline, and I'll get rid of Dick or Rainbow - cant see both Blues playing early, and there are plenty of forward rookies I can pick to replace Goddard

AK you're reading my mind - that's been my fall back plan, if more mid rookies start ill get rid of Watson or Ward and bring in Gray or Goddard :)

I understand a lot of people hesitating over Simmo after those 2 games last year were he killed us, but the guy averages 95 every single year and never misses a game. Sounds like he might even be a POD for me at this stage

Great team RD.   You chasing the 50k or league?    Agree extra mid rookies has more upside for cash generation and bringing in Gray or Goddard though I cant see Gray not dropping at some stage and being an upgrade option.

[RaisyDaisy]

Have played around again and pretty much narrowed it down to two options

Option 1 is my previously stated team which has ruck cover in the forward line, weaker R2 but a stacked midfield

DEF: Kade Simpson, Brodie Smith, Michael Hibberd, Shannon Hurn, Beau Waters, Matthew Dick (Hugh Goddard, Harrison Wigg)

MID: Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Callan Ward, Jobe Watson, Nathan Van Berlo, Isaac Heeney, Aaron Vandenberg,(Nathan Freeman, Alex Neal-Bullen, Kane Lambert)

RUC: Nic Naitanui, Matthew Leuenberger (Tom Read)

FWD: Brett Deledio, Lance Franklin, Dane Swan, Tom Bellchambers, Mitch Clark, Jesse Hogan (Jack Steele, Nathan Krakouer)

8/10/12 Bye Structure

Option 2 has no ruck cover which is the only risk I see but no cheap rucks either which means trades saved on upgrading and I can use one of those trades if a premo ruck goes down anyway. Midfield isn't as strong but forwards are. More of a GNR setup with Waters the only mid pricer

DEF: Kade Simpson, Brodie Smith, Michael Hibberd, Shannon Hurn, Beau Waters, Matthew Dick (Hugh Goddard, Harrison Wigg)

MID: Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Callan Ward, Nathan Van Berlo, Isaac Heeney, Aaron Vandenberg, Blair Boekhorst (Nathan Freeman, Alex Neal-Bullen, Kane Lambert)

RUC: Ivan Maric, Nic Naitanui (Tom Read)

FWD: Brett Deledio, Brendan Goddard, Lance Franklin, Dane Swan, Mitch Clark, Jesse Hogan (Jack Steele, Nathan Krakouer)

9/9/12 Bye Structure

Differences between Option 1 and Option 2

Out: Watson, Luenberger, Bellchambers
In: Maric, Goddard, Boekhorst

I can make a tweak to change Maric to Goldy or Sandi, but have gone with Maric for now. I'm actually now starting to prefer Option 2 because I have 14 premo's, and if I need to trade a ruck to avoid a donut I would have used a couple of trades having to upgrade Belly and Leuey eventually anyway. No Jobe hurts though

Thoughts on all of this?

[GoLions]

I really like that 2nd team, provided enough rookie mids look good and get named round 1

[ben_020285]

I prefer team 1, mate.

Just gotta have that ruck cover. If you are ok with burning a trade or copping a donut each time one of your ruckmen is injured or rested then go for team 2.

That team 1 has some really solid picks. There are a few that I won't be choosing myself but to be honest it's very hard to fault and I can understand the reasoning behind every pick.

[GoLions]

I prefer team 1, mate.

Just gotta have that ruck cover. If you are ok with burning a trade or copping a donut each time one of your ruckmen is injured or rested then go for team 2.

That team 1 has some really solid picks. There are a few that I won't be choosing myself but to be honest it's very hard to fault and I can understand the reasoning behind every pick.

But you have to use at least 2 trades to bring in a 2nd premium ruckman for team 1? Whereas with his set-and-forget setup, you'd be pretty unlucky to get more than 2 injuries in the rucks, so can potentially save a trade or 2 there. Just depends if you can pick the right rucks to start with or not.

[ben_020285]

I prefer team 1, mate.

Just gotta have that ruck cover. If you are ok with burning a trade or copping a donut each time one of your ruckmen is injured or rested then go for team 2.

That team 1 has some really solid picks. There are a few that I won't be choosing myself but to be honest it's very hard to fault and I can understand the reasoning behind every pick.

But you have to use at least 2 trades to bring in a 2nd premium ruckman for team 1? Whereas with his set-and-forget setup, you'd be pretty unlucky to get more than 2 injuries in the rucks, so can potentially save a trade or 2 there. Just depends if you can pick the right rucks to start with or not.

My hope would be that Leuey stays injury free and will be the number 1 ruck and score well enough to be a keeper or just take one trade and maybe a little bit of cash for upgrading. There is usually a fallen premium ruck that is available due to an injury affected game at any given time, happens every year.

Even if Leuey gets seriously injured very early on then we should be able to straight swap him to Kreuzer.

Also need to remember that this years best rucks may not necessarily be the best rucks from last year, especially with the new ruck rules. Very few would have thought Jacobs would be the best ruck last year on the back of his horrible 2013.

[RaisyDaisy]

Just posting a 3rd option I have just slapped together based on an article on HS about who is in their teams Best 22

DEF: Kade Simpson, Brodie Smith, Michael Hibberd, Shannon Hurn, Beau Waters, Nathan Brown (Hugh Goddard, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow)

MID: Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Callan Ward, Nathan Van Berlo, Nakia Cockatoo, Nathan Freeman, Blair Boekhorst (Isaac Heeney, Aaron Vandenberg, Kane Lambert)

RUC: Ivan Maric, Nic Naitanui (Tom Read)

FWD: Brett Deledio, Lance Franklin, Dane Swan, Tom Mitchell, Mitch Clark, Jesse Hogan (Christian Salem, Jack Steele)

8/10/12 Bye Structure

Dick to Viojo-Rainbow
Wigg to Brown
Neal-Bullen to Cockatoo
Goddard to T Mitchell
Krakouer to Salem

[Nige]

I think you'll need another D6 for Option 3.

Personally not sure about Nakia and Tweet, will probably need to find alternatives to Vandenberg and Lambert too.

I'm not going near Tom Mitchell, think you could do better.

Overall it's pretty good though.

[eaglesman]

Just posting a 3rd option I have just slapped together based on an article on HS about who is in their teams Best 22

DEF: Kade Simpson, Brodie Smith, Michael Hibberd, Shannon Hurn, Beau Waters, Nathan Brown (Hugh Goddard, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow)

MID: Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Callan Ward, Nathan Van Berlo, Nakia Cockatoo, Nathan Freeman, Blair Boekhorst (Isaac Heeney, Aaron Vandenberg, Kane Lambert)

RUC: Ivan Maric, Nic Naitanui (Tom Read)

FWD: Brett Deledio, Lance Franklin, Dane Swan, Tom Mitchell, Mitch Clark, Jesse Hogan (Christian Salem, Jack Steele)

8/10/12 Bye Structure

Dick to Viojo-Rainbow
Wigg to Brown
Neal-Bullen to Cockatoo
Goddard to T Mitchell
Krakouer to Salem

I have a team like this myself - being a more likely to play team - I really like this team and think that when the teams get announced for round 1 we will all be making similar teams to this ... I think that to improve d6 (if need be for round 1 when no rookie is announced) ... I would trade Mitchell to a rookie  field Salem and use that cash to sure up the backs with waters d6 ... Options like newnes or a cheaper Lumumba ../ or an even cheaper option like Yeo vlastuin (these options will allow you to maybe pick up a brayshaw Biggs as well  ... That's my plan anyways

[Sabretooth Tigers]

 :)
Like team 2 RD. Just a little curious about an injury possibility. Several teams have Bellchambers at F5 for ruck cover and are justifying this as they're ruck security. With two set and forget rucks a side trade if one goes down is pretty easy and basic and 1 trade only. At some stage Bellchamders owners will want all prem forwards and ruckmen and hopefully have Bellchambers as their F/R emergency. But what do they do if it is Bellchambers who goes down with an injury early on. Is there a sideways R/F trade ?? Do they just trade Belly out for a rookie then trade one of their cheaper rucks to a prem and take the risk a lot of us are taking now, but 2 trades worse off ??   There is no guarantee that Leuey, Kreuz or Nicnat will get injured before Belly and there is no guarantee any of them will cop an injury. Personally, at this stage, I'm going set and forget with Mummy and Nicnat   and risking no ruck cover. Only the live season will provide the answer to this one, so best of luck and cheers to all.  Let the games begin     ::) ;)

[Hawker_08]

personally i think you could loose quite a few points going with 4 premo mids but if trades are used wisely it could be extremely beneficial. You will make alot more cash. Otherwise it is an extremely good team. Perhaps if you went:
Mitchell -> Bell (dont like him much but no1 ruckman so will play and score and cover)
Cockatoo -> Biggs/do a few more downgrades e.g. hurn to waters (breakout contender) and get him to a Wells or a Rich
Like the team, would love your comments on mine

[RaisyDaisy]

I've played around with things again and have come up with this team for now

DEF: Kade Simpson, Grant Birchall, Shannon Hurn, Sam Fisher, Beau Waters, Brendan Whitecross (Hugh Goddard, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow)

MID: Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Callan Ward, Nathan Van Berlo, Nathan Freeman, Blair Boekhorst, Isaac Heeney (Aaron Vandenberg, Jack Steele, Kane Lambert)

RUC: Nic Naitanui, Matthew Kreuzer (Mason Cox)

FWD: Brett Deledio, Brendon Goddard, Dustin Martin, Dane Swan, Tom Bellchambers, Mitch Clark (Jesse Hogan, Caleb Daniel)

$6900 remaining. Bye Structure 11/9/10

Defence Logic: I've decided to save money by getting Birchall, Hurn and Fisher instead of Smith, Hibberd, Shaw etc because I believe that the 3 I now have can average the same as the others. Might be an injury risk with Fisher, but I'm going with him as I expect him to stay on the park this year and average 90+. I've also put Whitecross in for now. If he doesn't line up rd1 then I can downgrade him and use that extra cash to get an expensive mid rookie if need be

Midfield Logic: Pretty straight forward here. I really wish I could get Watson into M5, but I just don't like the cheap forward options so I'm going stronger there instead. I expect Boekhorst and Freeman to line up rd1, and the other spots will get filled by whoever gets named

Ruck Logic: If you see the thread I started today about the ruck loopholes, I've realised that Leuey always plays after Belly so he is not an option for me anymore. I don't want to go with this setup just incase a ruck is out on Thursday night. It needs to cover the late out too and seeing as Carlton play so many early games Kruezer now comes into the team

Forward Logic: Still tossing up between Martin and Buddy, but have Martin for now. I'm not interested in guys like Lennon, Membrey etc and I don't think guys like Newman, Menzel, Krakouer will get many games. Clark and Hogan pick themselves, and if a ruck does miss a week and I need to swing Belly into the ruck for a week I will happily field Hogan instead of burning a trade.