SC Players (Points per Minute, TOG%'s & Points per Disposal)

[Mat0369]

That's irrelevant mate... think of all the other stats. tackles, marks etc. What you're asking for is basically just DE%

Not at all. The reason guys like Cannon and Chris Newman back in the day were such good SC options is their points per disposal. You get more points for using the ball long and if someone averages a crazy amount of points every time they touch the ball and you figure they will rack up a hell of a lot of the pill jump on. Points per minute might take everything into account, but I think points per disposal will help when picking the breakout players in the midfield

[AaronKirk]

Great stuff Wato

I was wondering if you could get Swan's stats for 2013?

Should be better than 14 but would be a good comparison.

[meow meow]

I think these stats are pretty useless. Some players have a lower TOG but score well because they are fresher. Expecting them to keep up the same rate of scoring with a 5% increase in TOG won't happen. Cotchin could play 80% as a full time mid at 1.1 PPM or he could play 65% midfield, 25% forward and I bet he wouldn't score at the same rate.

[ADEZ]

I think these stats are pretty useless. Some players have a lower TOG but score well because they are fresher. Expecting them to keep up the same rate of scoring with a 5% increase in TOG won't happen. Cotchin could play 80% as a full time mid at 1.1 PPM or he could play 65% midfield, 25% forward and I bet he wouldn't score at the same rate.

I agree completely, is only relevant to young mids such as Ollie Wines who are building their running power still

[fasttrack13]

That's irrelevant mate... think of all the other stats. tackles, marks etc. What you're asking for is basically just DE%

Not at all. The reason guys like Cannon and Chris Newman back in the day were such good SC options is their points per disposal. You get more points for using the ball long and if someone averages a crazy amount of points every time they touch the ball and you figure they will rack up a hell of a lot of the pill jump on. Points per minute might take everything into account, but I think points per disposal will help when picking the breakout players in the midfield

I get that... however you have to take away all points from marks, tackles... clearances CPs. Almost impossible to work out. You find a way to calculate that accurately then youre flying. Until then it is irrellevant

[GoLions]

That's irrelevant mate... think of all the other stats. tackles, marks etc. What you're asking for is basically just DE%

Not at all. The reason guys like Cannon and Chris Newman back in the day were such good SC options is their points per disposal. You get more points for using the ball long and if someone averages a crazy amount of points every time they touch the ball and you figure they will rack up a hell of a lot of the pill jump on. Points per minute might take everything into account, but I think points per disposal will help when picking the breakout players in the midfield

I get that... however you have to take away all points from marks, tackles... clearances CPs. Almost impossible to work out. You find a way to calculate that accurately then youre flying. Until then it is irrellevant

Yeah but you can't really predict that a player is going to take more marks each game, or get more tackles. Whereas you can predict them finding more of the ball. Hence why points per disposal is more effective for finding breakout players

[Grazz]

That's irrelevant mate... think of all the other stats. tackles, marks etc. What you're asking for is basically just DE%

Not at all. The reason guys like Cannon and Chris Newman back in the day were such good SC options is their points per disposal. You get more points for using the ball long and if someone averages a crazy amount of points every time they touch the ball and you figure they will rack up a hell of a lot of the pill jump on. Points per minute might take everything into account, but I think points per disposal will help when picking the breakout players in the midfield

I get that... however you have to take away all points from marks, tackles... clearances CPs. Almost impossible to work out. You find a way to calculate that accurately then youre flying. Until then it is irrellevant

Yeah but you can't really predict that a player is going to take more marks each game, or get more tackles. Whereas you can predict them finding more of the ball. Hence why points per disposal is more effective for finding breakout players

Agreed  ;)

[meow meow]

Points per disposal is a pretty good stat. It's not too difficult to predict if a player should pick up more possessions due to a role change. Swanny is a perfect example. Should spend more time in the mids but not as much as in 2013.

2013
117/32 - 3.65

2014
86/25 - 3.44

Now if we think Swan will play more midfield and bump his possessions up to 28.5 and we give him a PPP of 3.55 then we'll say he is going to average 101.2. Back up to 30 touches and we're looking at 106.5

[fasttrack13]

That's irrelevant mate... think of all the other stats. tackles, marks etc. What you're asking for is basically just DE%

Not at all. The reason guys like Cannon and Chris Newman back in the day were such good SC options is their points per disposal. You get more points for using the ball long and if someone averages a crazy amount of points every time they touch the ball and you figure they will rack up a hell of a lot of the pill jump on. Points per minute might take everything into account, but I think points per disposal will help when picking the breakout players in the midfield

I get that... however you have to take away all points from marks, tackles... clearances CPs. Almost impossible to work out. You find a way to calculate that accurately then youre flying. Until then it is irrellevant

Yeah but you can't really predict that a player is going to take more marks each game, or get more tackles. Whereas you can predict them finding more of the ball. Hence why points per disposal is more effective for finding breakout players

What i mean... is that you dont know how many point's a player has scored with only his disposals because of those other stats make it impossible to find that out.

Say if a player (any player) averaged 100pts and 20 disposals.
you cant just go 100 divided by 20... Because you still included the tackling, marking and free kick stats. You need to take all of that out in order to know points per disposal and it's impossible to do that.
that is why it is irrelevant because it it impossible to find out...

[Mat0369]

What i mean... is that you dont know how many point's a player has scored with only his disposals because of those other stats make it impossible to find that out.

Say if a player (any player) averaged 100pts and 20 disposals.
you cant just go 100 divided by 20... Because you still included the tackling, marking and free kick stats. You need to take all of that out in order to know points per disposal and it's impossible to do that.
that is why it is irrelevant because it it impossible to find out...

One way to figure it out is over different seasons or games you take similar stat lines in the other categories and compare it to when they have more or less in terms of touches. So for example if Fyfe averages roughly the same in marks, tackles, goals but has increased his touches from 15 to 20 a game you can figure out a rough differential as to what those disposals are worth. When you expect him to have 25 touches you might see a 15 point bump up. Obviously in SC it is difficult to determine exact numbers since it is a weighted scoring system, but this will give you a general idea.

[fasttrack13]

IMO increase in disposals is related to TOG%. This really is only a tool to seperate premo to premo seeing the better selection, who has better scoring potential. Breakout players you can predict the same way but you need to generalise it eg. looking at ppm increase yearly as well as Tog% differential