Preliminary XI discussion

[nrich102]

I remember when cricinfo had their fantasy game for the test series, they gave out points not for strike rate and economy, but for milestones. So 50, 100, 3 wickets, 5 wickets (Can't remember the points exactly). And then also 100 points for the official MOTM.

I don't really like that sort of system. Think we should keep to a system similar to what the BBL uses, or else it would be too different for all the different formats.

What you have is different to BBL already though. They are different competitions, so they can have different scoring. THey have scoring that suits the game.

I just said similar. One way of putting it would be I want it to as much like the AFL DT scoring system as possible. Maybe it's just I don't like change, but I think it's the best dort of way to do it.

[PowerBug]

Another idea is we do this for International Cricket, but beware, this will be a lot more complicated, and there will be no off season.

There are 10 test nations, and they all play at different intervals. What could happen is, we draft/bid out as many International players as you want (Bid would work better as we can have a salary cap and then work from there). Then what happens, is at every series, you select players to go out and play, maybe 6-8 players, and then poitns awarded etc...

This is the best option there is for an ongoing International comp, it would take a lot of time to set up, and VERY committed managers that are able to follow cricket all over the world basically to have a good chance of winning.

I may have explained that badly, but it would be tough to do, the Domestic comp seems more realistic.

[Nige]

Best to keep it simple with the Aussie domestic scene, much easier to follow and a lot more accessible.

[nrich102]

Best to keep it simple with the Aussie domestic scene, much easier to follow and a lot more accessible.

[PowerBug]

This is what I remember from cricinfo's fantasy points scheme for test matches:

Batting:

• 1 point per run
• 20 points for reaching 50
• 50 points for reaching 100
• -10 for getting out (Except Bowlers)
• -10 for a Duck (Everyone)

Bowlers:

• 20 points per wicket
• 20 points for 3 wicket haul
• 50 points for 5 wicket haul
• 1 point per maiden

General:

• 10 points per catch
• 10 points per Stumping
• 15 points per runout (Last player)
• 100 points for official MOTM

There must've been something else, and those bonuses seem a little odd, but that was the jist of it. It was -10 for getting out, and -10 for ducks also, so a duck was -20, and getting 1 was still -9 fantasy points. I remember that bit. We could maybe remove the MOTM but add in something like +25 for being part of the winning team? Idk, these are thoughts atm. :)

[Nige]

Yeah, that's a good start.

[nrich102]

The more I think of it the more I start to like your system PB. Don't think we should have MOTM points, but a bonus for being in a winning team could work, as long as it wasn't to large, maybe 15 points?

Also think it should be more than 1 point per maiden.

[Nige]

I think a maiden's scoring would have to vary from format to format.

Bowling a maiden in T20 is much more difficult than a maiden in Test cricket.

[Scrads]

Perhaps have 3 different comps for the 3 different Australian domestic comps? This would mean less coaches miss out (rather than having just say one 8 team comp) and also means you can draft specifically for that comp rather than trying to pick a player who would benefit you across 2 or 3 different comps. Also would help cater for the vastly different player pool in the BBL.

I'd be keen to participate particularly in a Shield competition.

[nrich102]

Perhaps have 3 different comps for the 3 different Australian domestic comps? This would mean less coaches miss out (rather than having just say one 8 team comp) and also means you can draft specifically for that comp rather than trying to pick a player who would benefit you across 2 or 3 different comps. Also would help cater for the vastly different player pool in the BBL.

I'd be keen to participate particularly in a Shield competition.

The problem is, I don't think we will have enough people who would be interested across all 3 competitions.

I think that when it comes to big bash we add 2 more teams and have a redraft of the players, maybe letting the 8 teams in the One Day/shield comps keep one player. I also think more people would be interested in a BBL comp, with there being an official fantasy league for that.

I also think we should have some sort of salary cap, just to keep the teams even, but we'd need to know the scoring system we'd be using.

[PowerBug]

Perhaps have 3 different comps for the 3 different Australian domestic comps? This would mean less coaches miss out (rather than having just say one 8 team comp) and also means you can draft specifically for that comp rather than trying to pick a player who would benefit you across 2 or 3 different comps. Also would help cater for the vastly different player pool in the BBL.

I'd be keen to participate particularly in a Shield competition.

We could, but that depends on interest. So far I can't see enough names to warrant splitting leagues up. I've messaged a few, and I think we will get around 10, which will have to be cut to 8 senior managers.

You won't have to rely too much on drafting for the BBL in the initial draft, as for the BBL there would be a separate draft where we can pick up T20 only players, probably up to 4 of them.

The more I think of it the more I start to like your system PB. Don't think we should have MOTM points, but a bonus for being in a winning team could work, as long as it wasn't to large, maybe 15 points?

Also think it should be more than 1 point per maiden.

For the 50 over cup, I think the Strike Rate and Economy bonuses are better, just altered to suit the slower scoring. And MOTM could only work if they release an official MOTM, I haven't checked to see if they do in the Shield.

I think a maiden's scoring would have to vary from format to format.

Bowling a maiden in T20 is much more difficult than a maiden in Test cricket.

Yep, for sure. I think it's 12 in the BBL. And maybe best to make it 6 for the Matador Cup.

[BB67th]

I like the look of this competition, it would be good to have a XVs style comp for domestic cricket.

I think the scoring systems for the different competitions should vary a little, and it's a good idea to have points for milestones in the Shield.

[Nige]

I'm not such a fan of splitting it up into three different comps, it just becomes a lot of work for everyone and half the XVs comps as it is barely have enough active coaches.

[nrich102]

I'm not such a fan of splitting it up into three different comps, it just becomes a lot of work for everyone and half the XVs comps as it is barely have enough active coaches.

This. Maybe we should add a couple of teams in for the Big Bash though, because I can see it getting more interest than shield/matador cup.

What are the thoughts on having a salary cap? I think we should have one, just for the evenness of the competition. Salary Cap would have to vary from T20 to Matador/Shield though.

[nrich102]

Another problem we have is that there are only 8 rounds of Big Bash, so not every team would get to play eachother, and I wouldn't think we'd want to include finals games.