SC 2015 Rico's Boys

[Ricochet]

While it is way to early to be doing this with no knowledge of prices or positioning, I think it might be worth avoiding guys with really bad injury histories/brain fades. This brings me to your backs. The two guys I am looking at is Shaw and Malcho, especially if Malcho is priced mid 500's he could kill your team. First off we don't know how Malceski is going to slot into the Suns back half and if his LARS will go pop again. I think I would look at him as an upgrade option and go with someone in the mid price range. Two guys that I instantly think of are Ricky Henderson and Paul Seedsman depending on their prices. Obviously this is going against the injury history part of the post since they just had injury interrupted season but there will be a lot less money tied up in these guys and you would want to see them play in the NAB a bit but they could be breakout candidates.

Yep agree completely mate. I mentioned it in my notes but didn't elaborate.
I don't think Malceski can back up this year's scoring and don't like playing top dollar for him, but I will be paying for a top defender in that spot. Just waiting on  Positional Changes. I think Shaw can improve on this year and be a top defender.  So happy to start him
Not a fan of Hendo at all anymore. Not since BSmith and Jaensch have slotted in nicely to rebounding defender roles. Plus a new coach at Adelaide so anything can happen. And Seedsman is another midpricer. Had plenty of potential but still a midpricer so going to wait and see with him

[Mat0369]

The way I see it there will be at least one guy in the mid 400k price range that will be named as a back that will play the majority of the year through the midfield. Backs are also the area you can afford to go with less 'premium' scorers because the differential between rookies and back premiums is less then any other position.

[quinny88]

Might as well chuck something together to start with.

Notes
- Rookies are just placeholders atm
- Defender premiums aren't really set, and don't like paying top dollar for Malceski, but will wait to see who gets defender status.
- Other fwds to consider were Blease, Mitch McGovern, Lecras, JThomas, etc.
- Other mids to consider were Rich, Petracca, Waterman, Stretch, Dumont, Boekhorst, Sylvia, etc (main concern is Heeney's JS, but I think he'll surprise a few and play)
- Real focus on Guns N Rooks this year



Salary cap left: $74,300.

Nick Malceski, Heath Shaw, Michael Hibberd, Andrew Walker, Sam Colquhoun, Shane Biggs
Hugh Goddard, Brenden Abbott

Gary Ablett jnr, Tom Rockliff, Scott Pendlebury, Callan Ward, Angus Brayshaw, Isaac Heeney, Nathan Freeman, Patrick Karnezis
Jayden Laverde, Alex Neal-Bullen

Nic Naitanui, Matthew Leuenberger
Matthew Kreuzer, Toby Nankervis

Robbie Gray, Lance Franklin, Dustin Martin, Jack Ziebell, Mitchell Clark, Jesse Hogan
Nick Kommer, Jack Steele

Love this side Ric.

D: Love the Heath shaw pick. I reckon he is going to go up a level this year as the Giants continue to improve. Not sold on Walker as I keep hearing he may return to the forward line where his scores will suffer.

M: Nice picks. Will be a wait and see with Rocky for me but can't blame you for starting him.

R: Value picks. Could backfire but the rucks do every year anyway!

F:  perfect starting forward line and likely to be what mine looks like at this stage.

[AaronKirk]

I cannot really fault this side Rico.

I agree with your comments i.e Malceski - don't really want to pay a premium price for him but if he was still at the Swans he would be a lock. Need to see his role in pre-season matches for the Suns before making that choice.

Walker is an interesting pick. If plays that permanent half-back role he is nearly a lock. If Malthouse plays him like he did this year then I wouldn't want him when I get to full premo. I will likely not pick him.

Rocky will be the one that will come up lot for debate. History says he starts slowly and comes home with a wet sail. Brisbane's recruiting of Beams and Christensen also have me concerned about his output early. Maybe an upgrade target?

The roles of Leuey and Stef Martin have me concerned about going with Leuey. I suspect Leuey will play most time forward and Martin more in the ruck. Nic Nat if he has a full pre-season is a lock and I am considering Kreuzer as R3 as well, maybe even an R2- if fit he should be a lock in nearly every side.

Forward line is faultless. Structure is excellent as expected.

[Mat0369]

Belcho is the other mid price ruck option and should have DPP. It will be interesting to see how the Dons use him and Giles.

[Ricochet]

Might as well chuck something together to start with.

Notes
- Rookies are just placeholders atm
- Defender premiums aren't really set, and don't like paying top dollar for Malceski, but will wait to see who gets defender status.
- Other fwds to consider were Blease, Mitch McGovern, Lecras, JThomas, etc.
- Other mids to consider were Rich, Petracca, Waterman, Stretch, Dumont, Boekhorst, Sylvia, etc (main concern is Heeney's JS, but I think he'll surprise a few and play)
- Real focus on Guns N Rooks this year



Salary cap left: $74,300.

Nick Malceski, Heath Shaw, Michael Hibberd, Andrew Walker, Sam Colquhoun, Shane Biggs
Hugh Goddard, Brenden Abbott

Gary Ablett jnr, Tom Rockliff, Scott Pendlebury, Callan Ward, Angus Brayshaw, Isaac Heeney, Nathan Freeman, Patrick Karnezis
Jayden Laverde, Alex Neal-Bullen

Nic Naitanui, Matthew Leuenberger
Matthew Kreuzer, Toby Nankervis

Robbie Gray, Lance Franklin, Dustin Martin, Jack Ziebell, Mitchell Clark, Jesse Hogan
Nick Kommer, Jack Steele

Love this side Ric.

D: Love the Heath shaw pick. I reckon he is going to go up a level this year as the Giants continue to improve. Not sold on Walker as I keep hearing he may return to the forward line where his scores will suffer.

M: Nice picks. Will be a wait and see with Rocky for me but can't blame you for starting him.

R: Value picks. Could backfire but the rucks do every year anyway!

F:  perfect starting forward line and likely to be what mine looks like at this stage.

Thanks for the feedback man. Yeh the backline is my main concern but I'm basically going three premo guns and will decide one positional changes are known. Someone like NDS may come in for a Walker.

[Ricochet]

I cannot really fault this side Rico.

I agree with your comments i.e Malceski - don't really want to pay a premium price for him but if he was still at the Swans he would be a lock. Need to see his role in pre-season matches for the Suns before making that choice.

Walker is an interesting pick. If plays that permanent half-back role he is nearly a lock. If Malthouse plays him like he did this year then I wouldn't want him when I get to full premo. I will likely not pick him.

Rocky will be the one that will come up lot for debate. History says he starts slowly and comes home with a wet sail. Brisbane's recruiting of Beams and Christensen also have me concerned about his output early. Maybe an upgrade target?

The roles of Leuey and Stef Martin have me concerned about going with Leuey. I suspect Leuey will play most time forward and Martin more in the ruck. Nic Nat if he has a full pre-season is a lock and I am considering Kreuzer as R3 as well, maybe even an R2- if fit he should be a lock in nearly every side.

Forward line is faultless. Structure is excellent as expected.

Thanks for the comments mate. I actually think Rocky will benefit from their additions. Their midfield will win more ball, he'll get less attention, and they'll control the game for longer periods than this year. Not sure he can increase output, but he is quality so can't see it decreasing. Ball winning isnt an ability you lose. But yeh will have to watch his preseason closely. Only concern for me is if they give him longer stints forward

[Ricochet]

Belcho is the other mid price ruck option and should have DPP. It will be interesting to see how the Dons use him and Giles.

very good point mate, will have to keep an eye on him

[Ricochet]

Notes
- Rookies are just placeholders atm
- Defender premiums aren't really set, and don't like paying top dollar for Malceski, but will wait to see who gets defender status.
- Other fwds to consider were Blease, Mitch McGovern, Lecras, JThomas, etc.
- Other mids to consider were Rich, Petracca, Waterman, Stretch, Dumont, Boekhorst, Sylvia, etc (main concern is Heeney's JS, but I think he'll surprise a few and play)
- Real focus on Guns N Rooks this year
- strongly considering HBennell and Bellchambers

[_wato]

Just reiterate your comment about your focus on guns and rooks man, otherwise Bennell and Belly are out of the picture as I don't see them as being exactly the players you want.

I like your team, but I can see a few players I would shift immediately - Walker should be out of that team and anyone of Birchall/Smith/Hodge even would be a better selection.. I don't see him averaging above 90 with Simpson/Yarran/Docherty taking a rebound role, and I see Walker playing up forward to add a little bit of experience down there.
I would be careful about 4 premium mids and especially Ward as I don't see him improving, he really did have a great year.. Last time he went premium he backed it up with a 90 average and with Griffen coming in that could be a deterrent.. Would rather Priddis from the same bye or if you had extra cash definitely get Joel Selwood. Not keen on Rocky either but you seem to be confident so I'll leave that be.

Rucks are the same as mine so I love it.. I originally had Goldy but Leuey + Kreuzer will make buckets of $$ and could even out score Goldy early considering his run of opposing ruckman.

Can't fault your forwards, they look perfect to me, great mix of premiums and rookies.. Hardest thing will be to find enough playing rookies in the forwardline, hence why I loaded up.

If I was you I'd downgrade Malceski to Smith/Birchall/Simpson and upgrade Ward to Jelwood, but that's just my opinion. Good luck though man, great start!

[Ricochet]

Thanks for the feedback man, appreciate it.

Just reiterate your comment about your focus on guns and rooks man, otherwise Bennell and Belly are out of the picture as I don't see them as being exactly the players you want.

Yeh only like Belly because he will be the #1 ruck and could provide a link the the rucks also. Should go 85+ if fit.
Very speculative at this stage though

I like your team, but I can see a few players I would shift immediately - Walker should be out of that team and anyone of Birchall/Smith/Hodge even would be a better selection.. I don't see him averaging above 90 with Simpson/Yarran/Docherty taking a rebound role, and I see Walker playing up forward to add a little bit of experience down there.
I would be careful about 4 premium mids and especially Ward as I don't see him improving, he really did have a great year.. Last time he went premium he backed it up with a 90 average and with Griffen coming in that could be a deterrent.. Would rather Priddis from the same bye or if you had extra cash definitely get Joel Selwood. Not keen on Rocky either but you seem to be confident so I'll leave that be.

I'm waiting to see where Walker fits in first. If its across HB then he's a lock and can easily go 105+. But yeh if fwd then time to look elsewhere like you said. Mentioned before that backs are far from being locks and waiting to see who gets def status. But yeh if Walker plays down there I'll be all over him

I actually like Ward, only because Griff may take some attention away from him. If I was to look eslewhere then it would be Swan.
Jelwood is and will always be an upgrade target unless he proves otherwise. Premos that step up to elite struggle to keep it up the following year so I won't be going near Priddis. Especially coming off the year he has had, he'll be under the spotlight even more.

Rucks are the same as mine so I love it.. I originally had Goldy but Leuey + Kreuzer will make buckets of $$ and could even out score Goldy early considering his run of opposing ruckman.

Yeh have had three locked away for a while and honestly think this year is even a better year to do it than last year.

Can't fault your forwards, they look perfect to me, great mix of premiums and rookies.. Hardest thing will be to find enough playing rookies in the forwardline, hence why I loaded up.

Yeh its going to be tough. Especially when Mitch Clark looks like he's eaten Matthew Stokes.

If I was you I'd downgrade Malceski to Smith/Birchall/Simpson and upgrade Ward to Jelwood, but that's just my opinion. Good luck though man, great start!

Thanks mate. Malceski is really a place holder at this stage because I don't see him keeping up his scoring from Syd. But I will have a top end premo in that D1 spot. Simpson is a roller coaster and will be a definite upgrade target. Not sure Birchall can be that 100+ def i need at D1 and I think BSmith will cop a lot more attention this year. Defenders are definitely the hardest line so will sort them out more when positions come out.


Thanks again for your indepth response mate.

[Mat0369]

If you are looking at Swan you are better off with Sidebottom

[_wato]

If you are looking at Swan you are better off with Sidebottom

Not when you have an extra $150k that you pocketed from not getting Sidey - Swan will average 110 quite comfortably in my eyes, dunno why everyone is jumping off him after one bad year - the man is a fantasy pig.

I actually like Ward, only because Griff may take some attention away from him. If I was to look eslewhere then it would be Swan.
Jelwood is and will always be an upgrade target unless he proves otherwise. Premos that step up to elite struggle to keep it up the following year so I won't be going near Priddis. Especially coming off the year he has had, he'll be under the spotlight even more.

You think Jelly is an upgrade target man? I honestly think he's past his bad games (in succession) that is, and who knows really, bc he could do that in the back end of next year.. And would you say Ward became an elite scorer this year? Because I would definitely say so and I'd say that Ward fits that bill you put perfectly, just as he did last time he went premo (90 average the next year).. And Priddis has been a consistent premo forever with higher averaging years, hence why I'd favour him - Scooter to come back and Shuey are far more damaging, so I'd say that Priddis will go on his merry old way like normal.

Regarding Belly - With Giles I think he may not be the #1 ruck, never was with Ryder and Belly is fairly handy up front, and I can see Giles taking over, that's my opinion anyway.

Hers hoping for both of us man, that someone like Malceski (ideally NDS or Mitchell again) gain and keep their status respectively and make this decisions so much easier for both of us.

No worries man, hopefully my insight is good enough to take something from it.. Good luck anyway mate, will keep involved with your team for sure!

[Mat0369]

Swan is going nowhere near 110, his days as a premium are done. Welcome to life in your 30's

[_wato]

Swan is going nowhere near 110, his days as a premium are done. Welcome to life in your 30's

Alright I probably overstepped the mark a little, but I fully expect him to average 105-110 and bordering premium status.

Dean Cox averaged 122 at 30 and averaged over 107 at 32.. Kane Cornes averaged 105 at 30.. NRoo at 31 averaged 105.. Pav 111 at 31 and the list goes on (only 4 I could be bothered getting averages for).