Australia's Best ODI XI

[Torpedo10]

Haddin will probably see this upcoming Indian Test Series as his last. He might try and stay on for next years Ashes but I doubt he will make it. Wade is really developing, becoming a solid keeper. Was always a quality batsman.

[Jay]

1. Warner
2. Finch
3. Watson
4. Clarke
5. Bailey
6. Smith
7. Wade
8. Johnson
9. Cummins
10. Hazlewood
11. Lyon

Basically any combination not including Maxwell or Doherty is fine with me.

[Nige]

1. Warner
2. Finch
3. Watson
4. Clarke
5. Bailey
6. Smith
7. Wade
8. Johnson
9. Cummins
10. Hazlewood
11. Lyon

Basically any combination not including Maxwell or Doherty is fine with me.

Your blatant hatred disgusts me.

Leaving out Maxi and X would be detrimental to World Cup success.

[Mailman the 2nd]

Doherty is fine, Maxwell is next to useless.

Bailey is better than Watson too for the reasons HB pointed out

[Nige]

Can someone give me a genuine reason/argument as to why Glenn Maxwell is 'useless' or 'not included'?

[JBs-Hawks]

Can someone give me a genuine reason/argument as to why Glenn Maxwell is 'useless' or 'not included'?

Because he isnt very good.

[Nige]

Can someone give me a genuine reason/argument as to why Glenn Maxwell is 'useless' or 'not included'?

Because he isnt very good.

How so? Elaborate.

[JBs-Hawks]

Can someone give me a genuine reason/argument as to why Glenn Maxwell is 'useless' or 'not included'?

Because he isnt very good.

How so? Elaborate.

Poor technique, Poor Temperament, Poor bowler.

[CrowsFan]

Can someone give me a genuine reason/argument as to why Glenn Maxwell is 'useless' or 'not included'?

Because he isnt very good.

How so? Elaborate.

Let's compare the 3 all rounders Watson, Faulkner and Maxwell...

Watson (177 ODI's - 156 innings)
Batting - 5339 runs
Average of 40.44
Scores a 50 every 4 innings
Top score 185

Bowling - 164 wickets
Average of 30.81
Strike rate of 37.6

Faulkner (32 ODI's - 24 innings)
Batting - 664 runs
Average of 44.26
Scores a 50 every 6 innings
Top score 116
Special mention to the fact that he has on a couple occasions now performed in a Bevan like manner to win games for Australia late in the match.

Bowling - 43 wickets
Average of 32.20
Strike rate of 34.2

Maxwell (35 ODI's - 34 innings)
Batting - 884 runs
Average of 30.48
Scores a 50 every 4.25 innings
Top score 93

Bowling - 22 wickets
Average of 41.63
Strike rate of 46.0


Stats don't lie nige.

[Nige]

Can someone give me a genuine reason/argument as to why Glenn Maxwell is 'useless' or 'not included'?

Because he isnt very good.

How so? Elaborate.

Poor technique, Poor Temperament, Poor bowler.

Players with worse techniques have succeeded, it's not everything. Nothing wrong with being unorthodox if it works for the individual. Even in everyday life, no two people are the same, we all have our quirks. If every player in the team was cut from the same cloth, we'd be hopeless.

Temperament may be an issue, but it's a well known concept that people learn from experiences. People mature from their experiences. People said the same about David Warner in the early part of his career, he too was a bit of a renegade, he eventually came good, Maxi will do the same if given the chance.

Poor bowler is bullshower. You clearly don't watch games in which he bowls to make such a stupid comment. He's not supposed to be an elite bowler, he's an allrounder and part time bowler, he's not a specialist bowler like X or Gaz. For a part timer, he's good. His fielding is an asset too, I daresay he's the best fielder in the team. His batting is really good on his day as well, no batsman is perfect and it's as much about luck as it is skill. Maxi gets unlucky sometimes and occasionally plays bad shots and makes silly mistakes, but so do all other players in cricket and people in everyday life.

So much for a fair go.

Can someone give me a genuine reason/argument as to why Glenn Maxwell is 'useless' or 'not included'?

Because he isnt very good.

How so? Elaborate.

Let's compare the 3 all rounders Watson, Faulkner and Maxwell...

Watson (177 ODI's - 156 innings)
Batting - 5339 runs
Average of 40.44
Scores a 50 every 4 innings
Top score 185

Bowling - 164 wickets
Average of 30.81
Strike rate of 37.6

Faulkner (32 ODI's - 24 innings)
Batting - 664 runs
Average of 44.26
Scores a 50 every 6 innings
Top score 116
Special mention to the fact that he has on a couple occasions now performed in a Bevan like manner to win games for Australia late in the match.

Bowling - 43 wickets
Average of 32.20
Strike rate of 34.2

Maxwell (35 ODI's - 34 innings)
Batting - 884 runs
Average of 30.48
Scores a 50 every 4.25 innings
Top score 93

Bowling - 22 wickets
Average of 41.63
Strike rate of 46.0


Stats don't lie nige.

I agree, they don't.

Glenn Maxwell is an option, I'm not specifically saying he needs to be in the XI every game, I'm making his case for the World Cup squad of 15.

Another option is Cameron White.

I think the idea of having a batsman/allrounder who can bowl spin is very much being underrated/disregarded.

[Jay]

Can someone give me a genuine reason/argument as to why Glenn Maxwell is 'useless' or 'not included'?

Because he only does well when we are already in a good position. Sure when we're 4-250 and have Maxwell coming in, he's perfect then. But how many times are we in that situation? The answer is rarely. When the team needs Maxwell to dig in, he gets out cheaply just like he did yesterday and the game before.

In the World Cup side I'd want players who can knuckle down when we're in a poor situation. I don't trust Maxwell at all and I'll think that way until he proves otherwise.

His dismissal yesterday just highlights the flaws in his technique. His feet didn't move at all. A proper batsman needs to be in the side, not Maxwell.

[elephants]

Best fielder on the team? Please. David flowering Warner.

[_wato]

I have to agree with Nige here lads, as much as Maxwell doesn't do things right (we could go on forever) he does as much as Doherty would as a spinner, and more as a batsman and fielder. He comes in, rolls the arm over and bowls pretty well actually, pushes through his overs and forces the batsman to always be on the move and it's a positive intent that I like. Yesterday he bowled 9-1/43 which is less than 5 an over when Saffas posted 267 (he did better than most).

Doherty averages 40 with the ball and an economy rate of 4.75 / Maxwell averages 41 with an economy rate of 5.4 and when you add in Doherty's highest score with the bat is 15* and Maxwells is 93 along with the fact that Maxwell can come in and flog 30 off 10 when Doherty couldn't, and I think the argument is lost. (Overall average of 14 v 30)

Now, should it really be upto Maxwell to enforce he bats 15-20 overs? No it shouldn't, and if that were the case, it would be the top orders fault in that they didn't bat well enough to not allow our bottom order to be exposed. He is a great talent that needs nurturing, that is all.

However, since when has spin paid a huge part in the Australian wickets that we're producing nowadays? This series so far has all been pace, and spin has not been a determinant in whether we have lost or won, and I think our attack is good enough regardless if we have a good spinner or not.

And that's where the argument lies, with the fact that if we were to put in a spinner, DONT put in Doherty or Boyce and lose some X factor we may have with the bat, and we can't rely on Clarke or Smith, but Maxwell does a very very good job as a part time spinner.

The team for this World Cup should be I feel, with a good balance of batsman and bowlers (was tough to leave out Bailey, but if you were to judge techniques and have a go at Maxwell, you could also dig in at Bailey who is frightening to watch, plus as good as his record is, he doesn't add anything apart from batting which is his detriment).

1. Warner
2. Finch
3. Watson
4. Clarke
5. Smith
6. Faulkner
7. Wade
8. Maxwell
9. Johnson
10. Cummins
11. Hazlewood

With Marsh, Bailey and 2 others in the 15 man squad.

[PowerBug]

I'll add Mitch Marsh and Brad Haddin to the list..

Anyone else I've missed?

[GoLions]

I'll add Mitch Marsh and Brad Haddin to the list..

Anyone else I've missed?

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