AXVS: OFFICIAL TRADE THREAD (2014/15)

[Noz]

Just curious, how many trades have gone through here without a discussion?

My trade involving me bringing in Harry Taylor caused no discussion.

[Ricochet]

Just curious, how many trades have gone through here without a discussion?

My trade involving me bringing in Harry Taylor caused no discussion.

and McGovern for Hibberd trade slipped through pretty quietly too :P

[Jroo]

Um wasnt there a rule if 2 or more coaches are against the trade it goes to a vote?

No we didn't vote for that rule Noz. BB has full power unless the trade involves him then if there's a complaint it goes to a vote.

Also JROO I never vote against a trade because of the people involved. It's all about the trade itself.

FYI In the interests of re-working the trade here's the reasoning I gave BB

I don't believe from what Salem, O'Rourke and Neade have shown so far that they will really become good scorers. Both Salem and O'Rourke look like they have a bit of class to them but, the kind that would do well in SC not Sportsbet scoring.

Neade could go alright but traditional small forwards have not been the best scorers in any fantasy competition unless they also have midfield time which I don't think he'll get.

So to give up Goddard and Minson who are two of the best premiums in their positions (although they did both have down years this time) and get these guys in return is not fair in my opinion. Bastinac is also no mug although he's struggled a bit lately and Gibson is better than him.

The way I see it at the moment

Goddard is quite a bit better than O'Rourke + Nat 44
Minson > Salem + Neade (rucks are rarer plus Minson is a premium)
Gibson is a bit better than Bastinac however Gibson is also older the Bastinac

The Laidler/Mackay part of the deal is fine imo.

I'd suggest JROO swaps Neade for Lachie Hunter perhaps (if he still has him) or a more likely fantasy type (someone who has shown scoring potential already) and then I'd probably be okay with it.

Thanks for that Memph, looking for suggestions for it pass.

I suggested adding Jake Lloyd to BB for his last pick and then replace Mackay with Ted Richards for Rusty.

To the people who voted against it, would that be enough?

[Noz]

Im a bit confused how can the reasoning for the trade getting passed because the Dongs are trying to rebuild. They bring in 2 27 year olds and 1 28 year old, 1 bloke thats not even in their clubs best 22 and Colyer who has played 18 games in 2 years

How the flower is that rebuilding?

Edit: Greg Broughton isn't even on an AFL list!

[Nige]

Just curious, how many trades have gone through here without a discussion?

My trade involving me bringing in Harry Taylor caused no discussion.

I salute you.

[PowerBug]

Just curious, how many trades have gone through here without a discussion?

My trade involving me bringing in Harry Taylor caused no discussion.

I salute you.

My trade where I got Lindsay Thomas and Colin Garland had no discussion. That's my only trade so far so I'm on a 100% hit record. :P

[Memphistopheles]

Wow, well done Toges. 5 starters for the loss of none in one trade is very impressive mate

+1, don't know how this passes when mine doesn't.

I'm not surprised it was rejected, not because it was unfair, but because it was me.

I shot myself in the foot, by making it two separate trades. It may meant to be this

UAE Tigers give Paul Seedsman, Lachie Hunter, Sam Gibson, Jono O'Rourke, Christian Salem, Jake Neade, Pick 44
UAE Tigers get : Andrew Swallow, Danyle Pearce, Brendon Goddard, Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, David Mackay

Manila Folders give: Brendon Goddard, Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, Jeremy Laidler
Manila Folders receive: Sam Gibson, Jono O'Rourke, Christian Salem, Jake Neade, Pick 44

PNG HeadHunters give: David Mackay, Paul Seedsman, Lachie Hunter
PNG HeadHunters receive: Jeremy Laidler, Andrew Swallow, Danyle Pearce

And it flowered me up even more, as premiums have been going for basically nothing and I couldn't do anything about it!

Well personally I don't reckon that would've passed either mate. This is how I would have seen the Tigers side of it.

Gibson (24yr old - 126ave - MID - established) = Swallow  (27yr old - 118ave - MID - established) - Swalllow a lot more proven so pretty equal
Seedsman  (22yr old - 83ave - DEF - fringe)  = Bastinac  (23yr old - 102ave - MID - established)
O'Rourke (20yr old - 51ave - MID - fringe) + Hunter (20yr old - 84ave - FWD - semi established)  = Goddard  (29yr old - 128ave - MID - established)
Neade (20yr old - 79ave FWD - fringe) = Mackay (26yr old - 96ave MID - established)

Leaving it wish Salem + N44 for DPearce + Minson
Rucks don't average that well in this comp so premo's are even more valuable.

The trade BB sent out didn't include the Headhunters bit Ric with Swallow, Seedsman etc aside from the Laidler/Mackay swap. Guessing that was a separate trade altogether? Or an oversight from BB?

I didn't consider that in my thinking because it wasn't in the PM.

[Ricochet]

Wow, well done Toges. 5 starters for the loss of none in one trade is very impressive mate

+1, don't know how this passes when mine doesn't.

I'm not surprised it was rejected, not because it was unfair, but because it was me.

I shot myself in the foot, by making it two separate trades. It may meant to be this

UAE Tigers give Paul Seedsman, Lachie Hunter, Sam Gibson, Jono O'Rourke, Christian Salem, Jake Neade, Pick 44
UAE Tigers get : Andrew Swallow, Danyle Pearce, Brendon Goddard, Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, David Mackay

Manila Folders give: Brendon Goddard, Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, Jeremy Laidler
Manila Folders receive: Sam Gibson, Jono O'Rourke, Christian Salem, Jake Neade, Pick 44

PNG HeadHunters give: David Mackay, Paul Seedsman, Lachie Hunter
PNG HeadHunters receive: Jeremy Laidler, Andrew Swallow, Danyle Pearce

And it flowered me up even more, as premiums have been going for basically nothing and I couldn't do anything about it!

Well personally I don't reckon that would've passed either mate. This is how I would have seen the Tigers side of it.

Gibson (24yr old - 126ave - MID - established) = Swallow  (27yr old - 118ave - MID - established) - Swalllow a lot more proven so pretty equal
Seedsman  (22yr old - 83ave - DEF - fringe)  = Bastinac  (23yr old - 102ave - MID - established)
O'Rourke (20yr old - 51ave - MID - fringe) + Hunter (20yr old - 84ave - FWD - semi established)  = Goddard  (29yr old - 128ave - MID - established)
Neade (20yr old - 79ave FWD - fringe) = Mackay (26yr old - 96ave MID - established)

Leaving it wish Salem + N44 for DPearce + Minson
Rucks don't average that well in this comp so premo's are even more valuable.

The trade BB sent out didn't include the Headhunters bit Ric with Swallow, Seedsman etc aside from the Laidler/Mackay swap. Guessing that was a separate trade altogether? Or an oversight from BB?

I didn't consider that in my thinking because it wasn't in the PM.

nah they were two separate trades man and Jroo was just combining the two.

[Jroo]

Wow, well done Toges. 5 starters for the loss of none in one trade is very impressive mate

+1, don't know how this passes when mine doesn't.

I'm not surprised it was rejected, not because it was unfair, but because it was me.

I shot myself in the foot, by making it two separate trades. It may meant to be this

UAE Tigers give Paul Seedsman, Lachie Hunter, Sam Gibson, Jono O'Rourke, Christian Salem, Jake Neade, Pick 44
UAE Tigers get : Andrew Swallow, Danyle Pearce, Brendon Goddard, Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, David Mackay

Manila Folders give: Brendon Goddard, Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, Jeremy Laidler
Manila Folders receive: Sam Gibson, Jono O'Rourke, Christian Salem, Jake Neade, Pick 44

PNG HeadHunters give: David Mackay, Paul Seedsman, Lachie Hunter
PNG HeadHunters receive: Jeremy Laidler, Andrew Swallow, Danyle Pearce

And it flowered me up even more, as premiums have been going for basically nothing and I couldn't do anything about it!

Well personally I don't reckon that would've passed either mate. This is how I would have seen the Tigers side of it.

Gibson (24yr old - 126ave - MID - established) = Swallow  (27yr old - 118ave - MID - established) - Swalllow a lot more proven so pretty equal
Seedsman  (22yr old - 83ave - DEF - fringe)  = Bastinac  (23yr old - 102ave - MID - established)
O'Rourke (20yr old - 51ave - MID - fringe) + Hunter (20yr old - 84ave - FWD - semi established)  = Goddard  (29yr old - 128ave - MID - established)
Neade (20yr old - 79ave FWD - fringe) = Mackay (26yr old - 96ave MID - established)

Leaving it wish Salem + N44 for DPearce + Minson
Rucks don't average that well in this comp so premo's are even more valuable.

The trade BB sent out didn't include the Headhunters bit Ric with Swallow, Seedsman etc aside from the Laidler/Mackay swap. Guessing that was a separate trade altogether? Or an oversight from BB?

I didn't consider that in my thinking because it wasn't in the PM.

nah they were two separate trades man and Jroo was just combining the two.

Yep, two separate deals but were meant to be one three way deal.

[JBs-Hawks]

Period 1
DONGS give: B.Stanton
LAMBS give: N10 + N42 + L.Dunn


Period 2
DONGS give: R.Murphy + J.Bartel + L.Montagna + J.Schulz
LAMBS give: G.Broughton + A.Young + H.Balantyne + Travis Colyer

Final trade
DONGS give: B.Stanton + L.Montagna + J.Schulz + R.Murphy + J.Bartel
LAMBS give: N10 + N42 + L.Dunn+ H.Ballantyne + G.Broughton + A.Young + Travis Colyer

Toga to confirm :)

Confirm!

Understand it looks a bit scary all of those players coming through at once but let's not forget that nrich is gonna have to try rebuild as the Dongs are at that in-between point where they can't contend, but can't bottom out. Nrich giving away some good oldies but think we've done an alright job of trying to compensate that with some quality picks and younger players :)

APPROVED

Reasoning: Toga gave a good breakdown of the trade, which I'll repeat here:

Stanton = N10
Montags = N43    {if Burgoyne is equal less than that}

And on averages:
Schulz = Ballantyne  {on average}
Murphy = Dunn  {on average}
Bartel > Colyer + Broughton + A.Young

The Dongs are bringing in younger players too, which makes up for some of the scoring gap. Lambs are probably winners here, but it is still a fairly even trade in my view.

Elephants give: Brad McKenzie
Crabs give: N59

After doing a bit of list management, worked out I'll be probably be taking 4 Nat picks, needed to get rid of somebody to do that and so McKenzie was the chosen one. Thought I'd put him on the table and see if anyone wanted him and would give me a pick in return otherwise we would have just delisted him.

Nost/Rids to confirm.

Confirmed Nige  8) ........a nice simple one there

APPROVED

Reasoning: McKenzie is a fringe player, but still young has has the ability to score decently, the pick is fair for him.

Take 2...

Period 1:
Elephants give: N/A
Ales give: N12 + R7

Period 2:
Elephants give: Jordan Lewis
Ales give: Alex Woodward

Basically same as before, except this time R7 is thrown in. That's the first round pick in the rookie draft for the Ales. It's going to get me a good player if you take a moment to look at the leftover player pool and consider the fact that there will be a fair few rookies drafted by clubs in about two weeks time. I reckon the trade is fair now, I mean, the Ales are giving a first round Nat pick, a first round Rook pick and a kid who just won the VFL's Brownlow equivalent having missed several games through injury and is only 21. Jordan Lewis isn't Jesus, after all, Matt Spangher is and he's getting promoted off my rookie list, so I think the trade is passable now :P

JB to confirm once again.

APPROVED

Reasoning: Much fairer trade now with the addition of the rookie pick, much closer to Lewis' real worth.

Finally managed to use up my last list movement out this period.

Taiwan gives: Cam Ellis-Yolmen + Nat 32
Bangkok gives: Nat 25

Reasoning - We move up the draft order. Ellis-Yolmen has been on my rookie list for a while and has only played the one game. I know he has been going okay in the SANFL but the Crows mids are strong so I'm not sure if he'll crack their team. Would rather take my chances in the draft.

Oh I probably should have mentioned that he was on the rookie list Rids/Nost sorry. Forgot butso I think that means you'll get him on the rookie list as well. I can offer you a late Nat pick to add to this deal (66) if you need to use one to upgrade him though?

PS - None of the Varcoe/Winderlich/Betts offers were very appealing so I've decided to keep those guys.

APPROVED

Reasoning: Ellis-Yolmen is a highly rated youngster and it is worth trading him for a 2nd round pick upgrade.

Bears give: N50 + R32
Dongs give: Clinton Young + N61

Reason: Young isn't anything special but he at least plays which is good enough for me seeing as our mid depth doesn't run very deep.

Nrich to confirm.

APPROVED

Reasoning: Young is decent depth and he is about worth Rookie 32 and a slight NAT upgrade.

Given certain circumstances, new trade apparent

Casboult+ N#65+ R#46  for  Acres+ N#67+ R#19

Strikers give: Casboult, #65 R#46

Llammas give Acres, N#67, R#19

Confirm this revised trade.

Turns out we didn't have R#30 :P

APPROVED

Reasoning: Casboult had a good season, and showed he can become a good forward in this game, especially if he can fix up his kicking. Acres is a young mid with lots of potential, and it is balanced by the pick upgrade.

How is Brent Stanton equal to pick 10 if Jordan Lewis is equal to 3 first round picks?

[Nige]

How is Brent Stanton equal to pick 10 if Jordan Lewis is equal to 3 first round picks?

This I can agree with.

[Noz]

This trade is much worse then McGovern for Hibberd.

[nrich102]

Trade Period One:

Bears give: N61
Dongs give:

Trade Period Two:

Bears give: Kane Mitchell + Luke Russell
Dongs give: Kane Cornes

Adamant to confirm

[PowerBug]

I can confirm that I won't be getting the wooden spoon for the next 2 seasons :)

[Noz]

Why are people trading premiums for spuds and spud draft picks?

If you have a 3/4 round draft pick you can just pick up a premium this is becoming shower now and this is going to ruin the competition.

Trade 5 premiums for 5 spuds
Premium forward for 2 spuds
Being able to trade blokes that aren't even on an AFL list

This competition is becoming shower and pretty much if you post a trade no matter what it is theres a 95% chance of it being accepted.

In fact after all the controversy of the trades only 2 trades have been denied.

Tigers/Folders/HeadHunters trading half there starting 15 between the 3
And my trade with Ellis + Nat 38 for Johnson, Ballantyne and Young

Surprised that the Ellis trade got denied when you can trade Ballantyne and Young for Bartel and Murphy (judging by their averages and how the 5 premium/5 spud trade worked out.)

The value of players in this competition is a joke, Not even sure how you can even give Broughton a value when he is not even on an AFL list. This is going to become the most one sided competition on this entire site.