AXVS: OFFICIAL TRADE THREAD (2014/15)

[JBs-Hawks]

BJ will be a forward because he played as one.

I am looking at it fully.

BJ > Gibson

Bastinac > JOR by a mile.

Minson > Salem, by a mile still

Laidler/Mackay > Neade

44 is pretty useless too.

And just because BB is supposedly going through a rebuild doesnt justify trading all his good players for nothing

[Jroo]

BJ will be a forward because he played as one.

I am looking at it fully.

BJ > Gibson

Bastinac > JOR by a mile.

Minson > Salem, by a mile still

Laidler/Mackay > Neade

44 is pretty useless too.

And just because BB is supposedly going through a rebuild doesnt justify trading all his good players for nothing

Well I hope you're right since I've got him in Worlds but I think it's very unlikely.

Yes BJ is slightly better than Gibson, but Gibson is younger and averages only two points less. So that's not a big deal.

Basti and JOR would be close to even. Basti was barely best 22 last season, JOR will probably get DPP and moved to a new club and I see him playing next season.

A first round pick for an old ruckmen that averages 100, isn't exactly far off too.

Pick 44 is worth a bit more than Laidler and they're getting Neade on top, too.

[JBs-Hawks]

BJ will be a forward because he played as one.

I am looking at it fully.

BJ > Gibson

Bastinac > JOR by a mile.

Minson > Salem, by a mile still

Laidler/Mackay > Neade

44 is pretty useless too.

And just because BB is supposedly going through a rebuild doesnt justify trading all his good players for nothing

Well I hope you're right since I've got him in Worlds but I think it's very unlikely.

Yes BJ is slightly better than Gibson, but Gibson is younger and averages only two points less. So that's not a big deal.

Basti and JOR would be close to even. Basti was barely best 22 last season, JOR will probably get DPP and moved to a new club and I see him playing next season.

A first round pick for an old ruckmen that averages 100, isn't exactly far off too.

Pick 44 is worth a bit more than Laidler and they're getting Neade on top, too.

Gibson is one year younger ::) And id say the way Goddard plays he will retire older then Gibson anyway.

How is JOR going to get DPP? He will be the sub for the next two years at best, How is he going to be a straight away starter in the premiers when he couldnt in the 3rd worst team in the comp? Basti is best 22 and with Greenwood going will get back into the midfield and guess what he was a high draft pick too, ready to break out.

A first round pick that lost value from last year, and Minson is only 29.

Neade is never going to start in any good team, he isnt a scorer.

[Vinny]

Wow that's legitimately a shocker.

[Jroo]

BJ will be a forward because he played as one.

I am looking at it fully.

BJ > Gibson

Bastinac > JOR by a mile.

Minson > Salem, by a mile still

Laidler/Mackay > Neade

44 is pretty useless too.

And just because BB is supposedly going through a rebuild doesnt justify trading all his good players for nothing

Well I hope you're right since I've got him in Worlds but I think it's very unlikely.

Yes BJ is slightly better than Gibson, but Gibson is younger and averages only two points less. So that's not a big deal.

Basti and JOR would be close to even. Basti was barely best 22 last season, JOR will probably get DPP and moved to a new club and I see him playing next season.

A first round pick for an old ruckmen that averages 100, isn't exactly far off too.

Pick 44 is worth a bit more than Laidler and they're getting Neade on top, too.

Gibson is one year younger ::) And id say the way Goddard plays he will retire older then Gibson anyway.

How is JOR going to get DPP? He will be the sub for the next two years at best, How is he going to be a straight away starter in the premiers when he couldnt in the 3rd worst team in the comp? Basti is best 22 and with Greenwood going will get back into the midfield and guess what he was a high draft pick too, ready to break out.

A first round pick that lost value from last year, and Minson is only 29.

Neade is never going to start in any good team, he isnt a scorer.

Lol, how will BJ. At least I have evidence to back it up.
About JOR
@FantasyFreako: @RLGriffinSM 44% midfield and 50% forward is where he lined up.
He's had injury problems, too. He's fit he'll play games at some stage.

Lol, how has Salem lost value? Because he played games and gained DPP  ::)
29 isn't young?

I never said Neade was a starter lol, he's still ok as depth for a young side.

[Vinny]

BJ will be a forward because he played as one.

I am looking at it fully.

BJ > Gibson

Bastinac > JOR by a mile.

Minson > Salem, by a mile still

Laidler/Mackay > Neade

44 is pretty useless too.

And just because BB is supposedly going through a rebuild doesnt justify trading all his good players for nothing

Couldn't agree with this more.

[JBs-Hawks]

BJ will be a forward because he played as one.

I am looking at it fully.

BJ > Gibson

Bastinac > JOR by a mile.

Minson > Salem, by a mile still

Laidler/Mackay > Neade

44 is pretty useless too.

And just because BB is supposedly going through a rebuild doesnt justify trading all his good players for nothing

Well I hope you're right since I've got him in Worlds but I think it's very unlikely.

Yes BJ is slightly better than Gibson, but Gibson is younger and averages only two points less. So that's not a big deal.

Basti and JOR would be close to even. Basti was barely best 22 last season, JOR will probably get DPP and moved to a new club and I see him playing next season.

A first round pick for an old ruckmen that averages 100, isn't exactly far off too.

Pick 44 is worth a bit more than Laidler and they're getting Neade on top, too.

Gibson is one year younger ::) And id say the way Goddard plays he will retire older then Gibson anyway.

How is JOR going to get DPP? He will be the sub for the next two years at best, How is he going to be a straight away starter in the premiers when he couldnt in the 3rd worst team in the comp? Basti is best 22 and with Greenwood going will get back into the midfield and guess what he was a high draft pick too, ready to break out.

A first round pick that lost value from last year, and Minson is only 29.

Neade is never going to start in any good team, he isnt a scorer.

Lol, how will BJ. At least I have evidence to back it up.
About JOR
@FantasyFreako: @RLGriffinSM 44% midfield and 50% forward is where he lined up.
He's had injury problems, too. He's fit he'll play games at some stage.

Lol, how has Salem lost value? Because he played games and gained DPP  ::)
29 isn't young?

I never said Neade was a starter lol, he's still ok as depth for a young side.

Because Gibsons game is based on his physical attributes of running whereas BJ is on his skills and awareness.

Ok JOR might get DPP, but will be useless as he will be only be a mid at hawthorn and will be the sub whenever he plays.

Because when he played he struggled. 29 still has 3-4 years left.

[Rusty00]

We finally got this done.

The full trade is:

UAE Tigers give: Sam Gibson, Jono O'Rourke, Christian Salem, Jake Neade, Pick 44
UAE Tigers receive: Brendon Goddard, Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, David Mackay

Manila Folders give: Brendon Goddard, Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, Jeremy Laidler
Manila Folders receive: Sam Gibson, Jono O'Rourke, Christian Salem, Jake Neade, Pick 44

PNG HeadHunters give: David Mackay
PNG HeadHunters receive: Jeremy Laidler

It's going to work like this:

Trade period 1

UAE Tigers give: Jono O'Rourke, Pick 44
UAE Tigers receive: Brendon Goddard

Manila Folders give: Brendon Goddard
Manila Folders receive: Jono O'Rourke, Pick 44

Trade period 2

UAE Tigers give: Sam Gibson, Christian Salem, Jake Neade
UAE Tigers receive: Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, David Mackay

Manila Folders give: Ryan Bastinac, Will Minson, Jermey Laidler
Manila Folders receive: Sam Gibson, Christian Salem, Jake Neade

PNG HeadHunters give: David Mackay
PNG HeadHunters receive: Jeremy Laidler

Reasoning: BJ increases my scoring potential, while Basti provides good mid depth. Big Wilbur provides depth to Stefan Martin, in case he can't replicate this year's form. But I have to give up some of my high quality youth in JOR and Salem. Gibson is a proven scorer and Neade has also shown promise. Also should be noted that Mackay is traded for Laidler as part of a deal that was already agreed on, as part of the Swallow + Pearce for Seedsman + Hunter deal.

Also, I only use one list movement from this (Salem).

Rusty and BB to confirm.

My (minor) part confirmed.

[Rids]

Is DPP for O'Rourke a factor at all for 2015? I would have thought he will get very limited game time. Guys like Hallahan, Ross, Woodward all struggled for games in 2014 and I am not sure who drops out of the Hawks for O'Rourke to come in. Rioli, Anderson and Whitecross also means less spots.

No good having a former #2 draft pick getting DPP when he is playing for Box Hill or wearing a vest. Plus the fact that BB would have wanted him as a premium mid in 4 years time.

[Ricochet]

Im not gonna pull apart the trade, but I would vote for this to be reassessed/go to a committee

[Nige]

Im not gonna pull apart the trade, but I would vote for this to be reassessed/go to a committee

[nostradamus]

I agree with JB's assessment of the trade........when it's broken down like that it clearly shows that every aspect of it is a win to JROO.

JROO wins the trade hands down ........it's a total slam dunk for him, and no gain at all for BB.

[Jroo]

I agree with JB's assessment of the trade........when it's broken down like that it clearly shows that every aspect of it is a win to JROO.

JROO wins the trade hands down ........it's a total slam dunk for him, and no gain at all for BB.

That's just looking at it from one way though. Any trade can look bad/good when you at from one POV.
Look,
Gibson >> Minson
Salem + JOR > Basti + Mackay
Neade + #44 << BJ

Obviously BB hasn't done this for no reason, let's see what he has to say about it.

@Rids, I never said it was a factor, JB was saying that BJ would get DPP, when he won't so I said that JOR would.

[Rids]

Yeah get that mate.

Was more hoping that the DPP wasnt used in negotiations for the trade is all as I think it is pretty irrelevant.

[Jroo]

Yeah get that mate.

Was more hoping that the DPP wasnt used in negotiations for the trade is all as I think it is pretty irrelevant.

Yep, pretty sure I didn't even mention it to BB, so isn't really relevant to the trade.

We're still not sure what's happening about a committee or whatever, so I guess we have to wait and see what happens.