AXVS: OFFICIAL TRADE THREAD (2014/15)

[Justin Bieber]

I don't want to start argument up again. I just want to see how much Day is worth considering he's a way higher touted talent and 3 years of AFL standard of AFL football under his belt.

Day is like Jaksch I reckon. It is hard to gauge as they haven't cemented a specific position yet to call their own. I would be expecting a 2nd rd pick approx for Jaksch so would think Day would be worth more than that due to having a few years under his belt. A mid first rd pick is what I would be wanting at the very least if I owned Day.

Yeah, I agree.

Day's shown enough to warrant a mid-late first round pick, maybe even early second depending on what the coach who owns him has, and also what the rest of the deal is which should always be taken into account unless it's a straight swap.

So a player touted higher than Tom Lynch is worth shower allall now? But a 13 game F6/7 is worth D1? Logic??

[Vlossy]

The other thing to take into account is the opinion of the seller and buyer in regards to these young guys potential. Every year we go to a draft and invest in potential. When a trade occurs that includes a younger player then the same happens. So it isn't always past performances or how many games they have played that is important. It comes down to beauty being in the eye of the beholder.

There is often not much data to go off when it comes to these young players so it really does come to gut feel from what you have seen of them.

[Vlossy]

I don't want to start argument up again. I just want to see how much Day is worth considering he's a way higher touted talent and 3 years of AFL standard of AFL football under his belt.

Day is like Jaksch I reckon. It is hard to gauge as they haven't cemented a specific position yet to call their own. I would be expecting a 2nd rd pick approx for Jaksch so would think Day would be worth more than that due to having a few years under his belt. A mid first rd pick is what I would be wanting at the very least if I owned Day.

Yeah, I agree.

Day's shown enough to warrant a mid-late first round pick, maybe even early second depending on what the coach who owns him has, and also what the rest of the deal is which should always be taken into account unless it's a straight swap.

So a player touted higher than Tom Lynch is worth shower allall now? But a 13 game F6/7 is worth D1? Logic??

Every premium will only have 13 games total in their careers at some stage. The trick here to is to try and get someone you think will be a premium in a years time or maybe 3 years time.

[Nige]

The other thing to take into account is the opinion of the seller and buyer in regards to these young guys potential. Every year we go to a draft and invest in potential. When a trade occurs that includes a younger player then the same happens. So it isn't always past performances or how many games they have played that is important. It comes down to beauty being in the eye of the beholder type.

There is often not much data to go off when it comes to these young players so it really does come to gut feel from what you have seen of them.

Yeah, this.

This is all so subjective, that's what these whole competitions are. Some people rate some players quite highly as Rids has said and others apparently don't even know who they are.

[Justin Bieber]

I don't want to start argument up again. I just want to see how much Day is worth considering he's a way higher touted talent and 3 years of AFL standard of AFL football under his belt.

Day is like Jaksch I reckon. It is hard to gauge as they haven't cemented a specific position yet to call their own. I would be expecting a 2nd rd pick approx for Jaksch so would think Day would be worth more than that due to having a few years under his belt. A mid first rd pick is what I would be wanting at the very least if I owned Day.

Yeah, I agree.

Day's shown enough to warrant a mid-late first round pick, maybe even early second depending on what the coach who owns him has, and also what the rest of the deal is which should always be taken into account unless it's a straight swap.

So a player touted higher than Tom Lynch is worth shower allall now? But a 13 game F6/7 is worth D1? Logic??

Every premium will only have 13 games total in their careers at some stage. The trick here to is to try and get someone you think will be a premium in a years time or maybe 3 years time.

We've heard from West Coast fans and they believe it's a poor trade. McGovern is third or fourth tall at West Coast and hasn't established himself.

And I know who the cow is, the fact he isnt that high of draft pick and took 4 years to debut doesn't guarantee he will be any good. More reason he will become 'overweight' again.

[Vlossy]

I don't want to start argument up again. I just want to see how much Day is worth considering he's a way higher touted talent and 3 years of AFL standard of AFL football under his belt.

Day is like Jaksch I reckon. It is hard to gauge as they haven't cemented a specific position yet to call their own. I would be expecting a 2nd rd pick approx for Jaksch so would think Day would be worth more than that due to having a few years under his belt. A mid first rd pick is what I would be wanting at the very least if I owned Day.

Yeah, I agree.

Day's shown enough to warrant a mid-late first round pick, maybe even early second depending on what the coach who owns him has, and also what the rest of the deal is which should always be taken into account unless it's a straight swap.

So a player touted higher than Tom Lynch is worth shower allall now? But a 13 game F6/7 is worth D1? Logic??

Every premium will only have 13 games total in their careers at some stage. The trick here to is to try and get someone you think will be a premium in a years time or maybe 3 years time.

We've heard from West Coast fans and they believe it's a poor trade. McGovern is third or fourth tall at West Coast and hasn't established himself.

And I know who the cow is, the fact he isnt that high of draft pick and took 4 years to debut doesn't guarantee he will be any good. More reason he will become 'overweight' again.

And that is the risk people take. A #1 draft pick is not always guaranteed to be the best player in the comp in 5 years time. But what people are buying is potential as well as talent from they have seen.

Don't forget this 'cow' averaged 90 in his first year. If that doesn't scream potential then I don't know what does from a fantasy perspective.

Time will tell though if he flops or not. I think having the discussion now after only 13 games is probably too early. If we were having the same discussion about Hibberd  years ago after 22 games then I would, he has plenty of talent but has massive issues with his body and especially soft tissue injuries. It is hard to read what will happen but once again, hindsight will tell us if the trade is a good one or not.

[Justin Bieber]

I don't want to start argument up again. I just want to see how much Day is worth considering he's a way higher touted talent and 3 years of AFL standard of AFL football under his belt.

Day is like Jaksch I reckon. It is hard to gauge as they haven't cemented a specific position yet to call their own. I would be expecting a 2nd rd pick approx for Jaksch so would think Day would be worth more than that due to having a few years under his belt. A mid first rd pick is what I would be wanting at the very least if I owned Day.

Yeah, I agree.

Day's shown enough to warrant a mid-late first round pick, maybe even early second depending on what the coach who owns him has, and also what the rest of the deal is which should always be taken into account unless it's a straight swap.

So a player touted higher than Tom Lynch is worth shower allall now? But a 13 game F6/7 is worth D1? Logic??

Every premium will only have 13 games total in their careers at some stage. The trick here to is to try and get someone you think will be a premium in a years time or maybe 3 years time.

We've heard from West Coast fans and they believe it's a poor trade. McGovern is third or fourth tall at West Coast and hasn't established himself.

And I know who the cow is, the fact he isnt that high of draft pick and took 4 years to debut doesn't guarantee he will be any good. More reason he will become 'overweight' again.

And that is the risk people take. A #1 draft pick is not always guaranteed to be the best player in the comp in 5 years time. But what people are buying is potential as well as talent from they have seen.

Don't forget this 'cow' averaged 90 in his first year. If that doesn't scream potential then I don't know what does from a fantasy perspective.

Time will tell though if he flops or not. I think having the discussion now after only 13 games is probably too early. If we were having the same discussion about Hibberd 3 years ago after 22 games then I would, he has plenty of talent but has massive issues with his body and especially soft tissue injuries. It is hard to read what will happen but once again, hindsight will tell us if the trade is a good one or not.

So you can trade away your best players for youngsters if you believe they can become good? I like how you don't even rate Hibberd and you rate McGovern sooo highly, but you made the trade. On this logic, any first year player to average 90 is in the bracket of elite and is worth unlimited amount? Kyle Horseley should be traded for Gary since he averaged 90+ in his year ::)

[Vlossy]

I have never said I dont rate Hibberd. I have actually said I do rate Hibberd but not as highly as others do clearly.

Nostra had to talk me into this deal. I actually said no to him originally. It is funny how people see things differently. The main things that concerned me as I have said a few times is Hibberd is very consistent but his ceiling isn't great. He has also had quite a few soft tissue injuries. I remember being burnt by him in DT this year (as were many). Of course he is a premium. And of course he is better than McGovern at this point in time. But there are still 2 years to go under that bridge. I saw all the games this year that McGovern played. The kid is going to be a star. I have no doubt about this. I want to make sure that my thoughts are being said here as it might surprise a few that I would initially think no for this trade.

[KoopKicka]

I don't want to start argument up again. I just want to see how much Day is worth considering he's a way higher touted talent and 3 years of AFL standard of AFL football under his belt.

Day is like Jaksch I reckon. It is hard to gauge as they haven't cemented a specific position yet to call their own. I would be expecting a 2nd rd pick approx for Jaksch so would think Day would be worth more than that due to having a few years under his belt. A mid first rd pick is what I would be wanting at the very least if I owned Day.

Yeah, I agree.

Day's shown enough to warrant a mid-late first round pick, maybe even early second depending on what the coach who owns him has, and also what the rest of the deal is which should always be taken into account unless it's a straight swap.

So a player touted higher than Tom Lynch is worth shower allall now? But a 13 game F6/7 is worth D1? Logic??

Every premium will only have 13 games total in their careers at some stage. The trick here to is to try and get someone you think will be a premium in a years time or maybe 3 years time.

We've heard from West Coast fans and they believe it's a poor trade. McGovern is third or fourth tall at West Coast and hasn't established himself.

And I know who the cow is, the fact he isnt that high of draft pick and took 4 years to debut doesn't guarantee he will be any good. More reason he will become 'overweight' again.

And that is the risk people take. A #1 draft pick is not always guaranteed to be the best player in the comp in 5 years time. But what people are buying is potential as well as talent from they have seen.

Don't forget this 'cow' averaged 90 in his first year. If that doesn't scream potential then I don't know what does from a fantasy perspective.

Time will tell though if he flops or not. I think having the discussion now after only 13 games is probably too early. If we were having the same discussion about Hibberd 3 years ago after 22 games then I would, he has plenty of talent but has massive issues with his body and especially soft tissue injuries. It is hard to read what will happen but once again, hindsight will tell us if the trade is a good one or not.

So you can trade away your best players for youngsters if you believe they can become good?

Yeah... its called a youth policy dipshower. Horsley is 27, McGovern is 22, so dont try and make that poor argument stand up whatsoever either.

[Justin Bieber]

I don't want to start argument up again. I just want to see how much Day is worth considering he's a way higher touted talent and 3 years of AFL standard of AFL football under his belt.

Day is like Jaksch I reckon. It is hard to gauge as they haven't cemented a specific position yet to call their own. I would be expecting a 2nd rd pick approx for Jaksch so would think Day would be worth more than that due to having a few years under his belt. A mid first rd pick is what I would be wanting at the very least if I owned Day.

Yeah, I agree.

Day's shown enough to warrant a mid-late first round pick, maybe even early second depending on what the coach who owns him has, and also what the rest of the deal is which should always be taken into account unless it's a straight swap.

So a player touted higher than Tom Lynch is worth shower allall now? But a 13 game F6/7 is worth D1? Logic??

Every premium will only have 13 games total in their careers at some stage. The trick here to is to try and get someone you think will be a premium in a years time or maybe 3 years time.

We've heard from West Coast fans and they believe it's a poor trade. McGovern is third or fourth tall at West Coast and hasn't established himself.

And I know who the cow is, the fact he isnt that high of draft pick and took 4 years to debut doesn't guarantee he will be any good. More reason he will become 'overweight' again.

And that is the risk people take. A #1 draft pick is not always guaranteed to be the best player in the comp in 5 years time. But what people are buying is potential as well as talent from they have seen.

Don't forget this 'cow' averaged 90 in his first year. If that doesn't scream potential then I don't know what does from a fantasy perspective.

Time will tell though if he flops or not. I think having the discussion now after only 13 games is probably too early. If we were having the same discussion about Hibberd 3 years ago after 22 games then I would, he has plenty of talent but has massive issues with his body and especially soft tissue injuries. It is hard to read what will happen but once again, hindsight will tell us if the trade is a good one or not.

So you can trade away your best players for youngsters if you believe they can become good?

Yeah... its called a youth policy dipshower. Horsley is 27, McGovern is 22, so dont try and make that poor argument stand up whatsoever either.

25 at the time and averaged 100 in debut year. So argument is valid

[KoopKicka]

I don't want to start argument up again. I just want to see how much Day is worth considering he's a way higher touted talent and 3 years of AFL standard of AFL football under his belt.

Day is like Jaksch I reckon. It is hard to gauge as they haven't cemented a specific position yet to call their own. I would be expecting a 2nd rd pick approx for Jaksch so would think Day would be worth more than that due to having a few years under his belt. A mid first rd pick is what I would be wanting at the very least if I owned Day.

Yeah, I agree.

Day's shown enough to warrant a mid-late first round pick, maybe even early second depending on what the coach who owns him has, and also what the rest of the deal is which should always be taken into account unless it's a straight swap.

So a player touted higher than Tom Lynch is worth shower allall now? But a 13 game F6/7 is worth D1? Logic??

Every premium will only have 13 games total in their careers at some stage. The trick here to is to try and get someone you think will be a premium in a years time or maybe 3 years time.

We've heard from West Coast fans and they believe it's a poor trade. McGovern is third or fourth tall at West Coast and hasn't established himself.

And I know who the cow is, the fact he isnt that high of draft pick and took 4 years to debut doesn't guarantee he will be any good. More reason he will become 'overweight' again.

And that is the risk people take. A #1 draft pick is not always guaranteed to be the best player in the comp in 5 years time. But what people are buying is potential as well as talent from they have seen.

Don't forget this 'cow' averaged 90 in his first year. If that doesn't scream potential then I don't know what does from a fantasy perspective.

Time will tell though if he flops or not. I think having the discussion now after only 13 games is probably too early. If we were having the same discussion about Hibberd 3 years ago after 22 games then I would, he has plenty of talent but has massive issues with his body and especially soft tissue injuries. It is hard to read what will happen but once again, hindsight will tell us if the trade is a good one or not.

So you can trade away your best players for youngsters if you believe they can become good?

Yeah... its called a youth policy dipshower. Horsley is 27, McGovern is 22, so dont try and make that poor argument stand up whatsoever either.

25 at the time and averaged 100 in debut year. So argument is valid

22 and looks to certainly be best 22 at the Weagles vs 25 with a baby crop of GC elite midfielders behind him? Pull the other flowering leg.

[upthemaidens]

 The correct thing for the Crabs to do (in the spirit of fairness) considering the general consensus  of AXV members, is to exchange #25 for #57.
   They should have just done that from the get go and a lot of the backlash would have been avoided.   It will still be a good win for them.

[Vlossy]

Doesn't matter about the argument. I will try one last time.

Last year Koops traded nat pick 1 for Isaac Smith + nat 11 (or something similar). Clearly as it stands he is a big winner of this trade. BUT and this is the big BUT, in 4 years time he might not be. It might actually be Memph or it might be, as I suspect, win win for both teams involved.

It is always hard to gauge what represents a fair trade when it includes young players. As I said previously, there is not enough data.

Anyways, time to finish lunch and head back to work.

Cheers for the chat guys and gals!

[Justin Bieber]

The correct thing for the Crabs to do (in the spirit of fairness) considering the general consensus  of AXV members, is to exchange #25 for #57.
   They should have just done that from the get go and a lot of the backlash would have been avoided.   It will still be a good win for them.

This is what my thoughts from the very very start.

[Toga]

Ok I haven't really said anything on this but feel like I have to weigh in.

Personally I don't rate the deal and think Hibberd could have attracted more value. But i didn't think it was worth complaining about. Don't understand how Noz and my deal fell through though based on this, seems a bit odd.