AXVS: OFFICIAL TRADE THREAD (2014/15)

[Memphistopheles]

Needed a trade to help the building for our team, we feel this does just that, losing a superstar but gaining what we need to be competitive next season

Llamas give: Patrick Dangerfield

Turkey Gazelles give: Jack Viney, David Mundy, James Battersby, NAT #6

James Battersby delisted...

[Noz]

Finally get some banter in this place shut down pretty quick.

All honestly if the Hibberd for McGovern trade goes through then this place is like Gotham ;)

[Justin Bieber]

Banter does is not liked :(

Also I'm with Noz. Noz is just helping the Llamas get off the bottom. If he doesn't give several of his players to Tbag then they be down the bottom again haha.

And I think Noz lost the trade on Danger's last year performance soo... yeah.

[Noz]

I wasn't goning to use Viney, pick 6 is useless to me and battersby is no delisted I have too much midfield depth

Mundy is okayish

[BB67th]

A bit of banter is ok, I'm all for it, and we can have opinions on trades. I just took a bit of an exception to the language Lez used, I probably got a little carried away before.

Keep up the banter though, we need some discussions going on here in the off-season ;)

[Nige]

I've seen more life in a graveyard.

[BB67th]

UAE Tigers give: Paul Seedsman, Lachie Hunter
PNG Head Hunters give: Andrew Swallow, Danyle Pearce

Since I'm out of movements, this trade will have to be done in period 2

Reasoning: I need mids, so that's why I'm after Swallow. Pearce should be decent as depth. I have to give up two very promising youngsters, though.

Rusty to confirm.

Confirmed.

Pearce and Swallow both in the wrong age bracket for our youth direction. Would've been happy to keep Swallow as he should be back to his best this year, but getting two promising youngsters meant he was expendable.

APPROVED

Reasoning: A young defender and forward with very good scoring potential for this game, Seedsman especially (who faced injury troubles this year and should up his scoring output consdierably next season), are being traded for two older mids, who are nearing the end of their career.

[BB67th]

A nice quick trade with Toga  8)

Bangkok Crabs give: Greg Broughton + Nat 23

Mongolian Lambs give: Toby Nankervis + Nat 26

Toga to confirm

Confirm

With Hanley and maybe McVeigh set to lose DPP need to sure up our backs a bit, and while Nankervis was a fairly high draft pick last year for us we feel like he's expendable.

Credit to nost for being a champ and one of the easiest blokes to deal with!

APPROVED

Reasoning: Nankervis was Pick 26 in last year's AXV Draft, and hasn't played yet, but looks as though he will soon get an opportunity with the thin ruck stocks of the Swans. Broughton averages under 90, which is not high in this competition and certainly not a premium level, and at 28, he is entering the last few years of his career.

[BB67th]

Finally get a trade on the board!

Kathmandu give: Michael Hibberd + Pick 25

Bangkok give: Jeremy McGovern + Pick 13

Reasoning: Both myself and my assistant rate McGovern very highly and will slot into the F4 spot to replace the delisted Aaron Edwards to give us a desperately needed forward line boost. The Crabs were chasing a defensive premium and the picks even it out, and enable us to chase a very good player with a 9 + 13 package.

Nost/Vlossy to confirm.

Confirmed ......... thanks to you and Vlossy for working this out so quickly and in great spirit

a great trade for both teams  8)

BLOCKED

Reasoning: Now I know this trade does benefit both teams structure wise, but I feel not enough is being given for Hibberd. Hibberd is the 10th highest averaging defender and entering his prime, while McGovern was the 71st highest averaging forward, and is extremely unlikely to get DPP in my view. While the pick upgrade is there, it is only mid second round to mid/late first round. It's a close one as to whether or not it goes through for me, but purely for the fact that high scoring defenders are scarce in this competition, this trade is blocked.

The involved coaches can pm me any further reasonings they have for the trade, and then it will be submitted to the Trade Review Committee.

[Nige]

Wow, you're not serious.

We've actually got decent depth defenders but nothing up forward, if the comp doesn't want the Eskimos to be able to field a F4 that can score more than 50, so be it.

[BB67th]

Wow, you're not serious.

We've actually got decent depth defenders but nothing up forward, if the comp doesn't want the Eskimos to be able to field a F4 that can score more than 50, so be it.

There is the team structure side of trades, which I do recognise in this case, but there is also making a fair trade, which I don't think has been quite achieved here.

Maybe I have made a poor decision here, but that is up to the trade committee to decide now, and if I have made a mistake in not letting this trade through, they will be able to rectify it. :)

[Justin Bieber]

I reckon pick 60 to 13 is reasonable. And Hibbard will move up from 10th as players like Hanley, McVeigh, Barrel and other should lose Defender.

[nostradamus]

Wow, you're not serious.

We've actually got decent depth defenders but nothing up forward, if the comp doesn't want the Eskimos to be able to field a F4 that can score more than 50, so be it.

There is the team structure side of trades, which I do recognise in this case, but there is also making a fair trade, which I don't think has been quite achieved here.

Maybe I have made a poor decision here, but that is up to the trade committee to decide now, and if I have made a mistake in not letting this trade through, they will be able to rectify it. :)

I have to say we at the Crabs are very disappointed that this trade didnt go through, and are quite confused that if it was a close thing then why in fact it wasn't passed.

We would like the trade to be adjudicated on by the appeals panel please.

Our reasoning........

While Hibberd did average 25 pts more than McGovern, it has to be balanced against the fact the it was McGovern's first full season.
The AXV comp heavily favours high leaping forwards over defenders, thus increasing their worth.
The pick upgrade is significant and makes up for any percieved imbalance in the trade.
McGovern is 2 years younger than Hibberd.
And even though we didnt factor it into the trade, McGovern's value is increased by the very real likelyhood that he "will" get dpp status.
Another thing worth considering is that while Hibberd is very consistent, McGoverns ceiling may actually be higher ......... with Glass retiring and Brown injured he played a significant amount of his footy in defence this year (thus our dpp beliefs)

We do believe this is a good, balanced trade and should be passed.

[Nige]

Wow, you're not serious.

We've actually got decent depth defenders but nothing up forward, if the comp doesn't want the Eskimos to be able to field a F4 that can score more than 50, so be it.

There is the team structure side of trades, which I do recognise in this case, but there is also making a fair trade, which I don't think has been quite achieved here.

Maybe I have made a poor decision here, but that is up to the trade committee to decide now, and if I have made a mistake in not letting this trade through, they will be able to rectify it. :)

I have to say we at the Crabs are very disappointed that this trade didnt go through, and are quite confused that if it was a close thing then why in fact it wasn't passed.

We would like the trade to be adjudicated on by the appeals panel please.

Our reasoning........

While Hibberd did average 25 pts more than McGovern, it has to be balanced against the fact the it was McGovern's first full season.
The AXV comp heavily favours high leaping forwards over defenders, thus increasing their worth.
The pick upgrade is significant and makes up for any percieved imbalance in the trade.
McGovern is 2 years younger than Hibberd.
And even though we didnt factor it into the trade, McGovern's value is increased by the very real likelyhood that he "will" get dpp status.
Another thing worth considering is that while Hibberd is very consistent, McGoverns ceiling may actually be higher ......... with Glass retiring and Brown injured he played a significant amount of his footy in defence this year (thus our dpp beliefs)

We do believe this is a good, balanced trade and should be passed.

Yep, our reasoning is very much the same.

On top of that, we believe that we could further increase our forward depth in a KPP rich draft with picks 9 and 13.

The alternative to this plan was to package the two picks together, potentially with a player for two starting players, likely another good forward and defender.

[Justin Bieber]

So on that logic McGovern will play defender next year as Glass has retired. McGovern could easily go back to hid spud ways if Kennedy and Darling hit full flight again.

And 25 to 13 is not that significant. 25 to around 5 is significant. How I see my trade with you is Miles for Prestia. Nat 13 is pretty worthless imo so don't use that argument. A single digit pick is significant or something like 60 to 13. But not 25 to 13.