2nd Beams in Brisbdane

[CrowsFan]

Harwood ain't no spud!

[Bill Manspeaker]

Squizzy is Taylor right? how the hell can you call him a spud Jukesy

[Spite]

Taylor isn't going to be a 40-goal a year forward. They need a goal-kicking forward to succeed, most likely. Duh.

Who is Joe Daniher? Or Carlisle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-PKNfqgRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tqXuQRFxlQ

If Green is so awesome why is he 15th and us 7th (seventh).

I never called Ablett a spud, I called his 2013 fantasy prospects at his price a spud selection. l2read

Gardiner, Cutler nor Clarke will ever make an All-Australian team, or set any records, or be desired by other teams.

Firstly, you can keep editing out your direct insults, I don't care but I've seen them.

Your first sentence? What the heck are you trying to say? It's so disjointed, are you making 2 separate points? Taylor doesn't need to be a 40 goal a year forward. That isn't his particular team role at this stage. Of course they need a goal kicking forward, but that isn't taylors fault so why should he be called a spud because Brisbane need a forward?

Daniher? 22 goals. Carlisle? 27 goals. Amazing. Well done on that forward line. Beams has kicked more goals than daniher... heck even Vickey has kicked more goals than daniher.

Pies total points for, 1710.
Bombers, 1738.

Crows, 2034.

Both forward lines are crap.

To answer your question "if Green is so awesome, why is he 15th compared to you, 7th?"... because one team plays defense and the other does not? You know, you need to score more than the opponent to win? It doesn't matter how much you score if your opponent scores more than you.

Bombers have a good backline. They rank 4th in conceded points. Brisbane rank 16th in points conceded. But that's Green fault isn't it? Sure, why not. (Also I never said Green was amazing, I said he was not a spud)

Your last call is too early to tell. Are all non-all Australian players spuds then?

And FYI because you seemed to miss it over a year again;

Well i was talking SC

and when you say drop Spudlett you are calling him a spud whether you mean to or not

He doesn't mean it in the same way that you think he does though, and i think alot of others are getting mixed up also. As i mentioned previously:

I'm gonna back up Jukes here. When he refers to "Spudlett" i'm sure he doesn't mean he's a "spud" player. Pretty sure he's referring to the fact that Ablett won't be worth the price tag he is given in Fantasy comps this year. He still said/says 114 average (DT), which makes him far from a spud player, but in terms of fantasy, I wouldn't want to pay 124avg for a player only to get 114avg return. And since anyone who isn't good at fantasy is known as a spud, he threw that into GAJ's name, which is fair enough imo.

:)

And ftr, yes, I picked up Stants and not GAJ. :)

Its not everyone understanding him incorrectly, he is using the term wrong, hence the confusion. No one is a spud pick for averaging 114, maybe his points for $$$ isn't great, but you get a good player right off the bat and you dont need to find $$$ later to bring him in which will be difficult because a player averaging 114 will still be expensive (maybe not as high as his starting price but you pay an extra 50k for him to be there the whole year and not have to triple trade to afford to bring him in)

I don't know about you, I have had some high DT finishes and usually it takes a double trade to bring in a forward, back or ruck and can sometimes take a triple trade to bring in a mid. Usually the swan's or ablett's. If I lose 50k early by starting with ablett, I will still be gaining a trade. Now before you say trades arent worth anything this year because we have 2 per round, if you need 3 trades to bring in ablett, that will take you more than 1 week of planning. Anything could happen in the next and screw up your plans so once again, the money you pay extra is for security. You'll also leak points for a week while you double downgrade.

Dreamteam is not won by points per dollar players, its won by finding the balance between value picks (p.p.d) and high point scorers from the outset. The fact you need to start rookies at the beginning can completely throw off any tactic because if you field shower rookies, you'll score pretty shower. Field the best ones, you'll generally score well with dodgy premiums.

And also for the record, I have stants (as captain this week) and GaJ.

[strikes91]

Gardiner the spud is the one carlisle couldn't handle when they clashed in round 8.

[Ringo]

So a spud is being talked about in rising star nominations. Great Logic there.

As Strikes also alluded to Gardiner is one of the defenders that has kept Carlisle under control. Harwood was a little underperforming early in the season but you can not argue that his performance over the last 5 weeks were spud like.

Know this may not be popular with Brisbane supporters but it will not surprise me if we go down a little again next year whilst we continue to develop or youth and also if expected talls gained in draft.  I think we should revert Sauce to defence and continue the forawrd development with McStay, Freeman, Close, Paparone and a resting ruckmen Berger, West or Martin.  Staker if he gets his body right also adds to the mix.

[Nige]

In a few years time, Gardiner, Cutler and Clarke will have developed further, along with Harwood, Adcock, Hanley, Rich
Then in forwards, Freeman, Close, and Squizzy will be better, and we'll still have Zorko and Green as well
McStay so far showing he can play either end, Bewick can go half back and half forward

Going after Beams (if possible) wouldn't be something that all of a sudden fixes everything, it just gives us more midfield depth which we may need if we get a repeat of this year regarding injuries

Bold denotes spuds

With the team as it is + Beams will be a very good team, but if they want a premiership they'll need to target, through trades, FA or draft, key position players.

Usually I can tolerate your bullshower, but you're creeping into the whatlez and tbag tier.  :P

[nrich102]

Taylor isn't going to be a 40-goal a year forward. They need a goal-kicking forward to succeed, most likely. Duh.

Who is Joe Daniher? Or Carlisle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-PKNfqgRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tqXuQRFxlQ

If Green is so awesome why is he 15th and us 7th (seventh).

I never called Ablett a spud, I called his 2013 fantasy prospects at his price a spud selection. l2read

Gardiner, Cutler nor Clarke will ever make an All-Australian team, or set any records, or be desired by other teams.

flower off troll

[powersuperkents]

Dayne Beams is the biggest pig hunter hahaha

Swan loses his title and then Beams has to ostensibly play for the team with the new pig for family reasons hahahaha

Rockliff needs to keep it up because he may decide Freo or the Bulldogs (Fyfe or Macrae) is the team for him in a couple of years  :P

Have no doubts that Rocky will kill it for the next decade though. Just a gun, definitely the biggest draft steal in history - no one, literally no one can argue against that.

[Vinny]

Lewis Taylor the rising star, a spud? Alright mate. :P

[powersuperkents]

In a few years time, Gardiner, Cutler and Clarke will have developed further, along with Harwood, Adcock, Hanley, Rich
Then in forwards, Freeman, Close, and Squizzy will be better, and we'll still have Zorko and Green as well
McStay so far showing he can play either end, Bewick can go half back and half forward

Going after Beams (if possible) wouldn't be something that all of a sudden fixes everything, it just gives us more midfield depth which we may need if we get a repeat of this year regarding injuries

Bold denotes spuds

With the team as it is + Beams will be a very good team, but if they want a premiership they'll need to target, through trades, FA or draft, key position players.

hahahahaha this cracked me up, I agree with some of it but not all.

Lewis Taylor won rising star so I think he definitely should be ruled out. However, I do see your point. He looks like the kind of kid who would be susceptible to the rising star curse (e.g. Haselby & Palmer). However, no player who has won the rising star, ever, has been a spud, yes they didn't reach expectations, but they have all been contributing players to their respective sides. So I'd say Taylor would be less inclined to be a spud, I honestly don't know why you would consider him if you were making an argument with Lion's supporters about the quality of their players (I think Taylor, one of only two players in the side who received an accolade, would be your last choice to call a spud hahaha)

As of now Freeman & Close are spuds. Close has shown signs of talent though. I think spud isn't the appropriate term for them as well. I think the word should be prospects. McStay looks like a great potential talent - same goes for Gardiner and Cutler.

Josh Green is a tough one. He isn't fantasy relevant. I doubt he would have the same impact in a better side. However, he scores goals for the Lions, and as long as he can do that he is an effective players and therefore far from being considered a spud. Again, I have to agree, I not adamant he'll be a long-term options. But if he isn't a long-term option, I'm sure he will be delisted for an improvement - benefiting the Lions.

Come on, Adcock.... I think we can safely rule him out hahahahaha. Yes he's not the best player, but since when has a back pocket been just that...

Justin Clarke is an uber spud hahahaha and don't know anything about Harwood but I'm pretty sure there's nothing special.

In summary, most of these listed players wouldn't get a game in a top 4 team - this is very common, a team has a strong finish to the season, but no matter how strong the finish, the Lions were still 15th, even Rockliff acknowledged that this off-season there was a lot of talk going on, but (and I really respected his observation) the talk can only take you so far, he further stated that if the very want to improve they need to win games. Now Beams is a great acquisition (not convinced with Christensen at all, if the rumours are true, and Leppa is aware of their truth, I think it would be a very negligent coaching decision to mix a person like that in with +40 who will need to trust him), but it doesn't change last season. The Lions are still a 15th placed team, the only difference is they are a 15th placed team + Beams & Christensen. These two players don't mean that the team will miraculously jump into the 8. They have got to work for it still, yes they have more quality but it's the team as a whole that matters.

I have them tipped for 8-12th, and I'd say they are more likely to be in the 10th-12th region (still a huge improvement from this season, and an even bigger win off the field). I think that as good as the Lion's list may be, like away club, supporters seem to overrate the players on the list. Expect huge improvements when it comes to the little things in their games, not some unrealistic rise into the top 4 (even breaking into the top 8 would be fanciful - some great players but still the holistic list quality isn't there). I think supporters should look forward to this season, but if you are expecting overly dramatic changes you'll be disappointed.

Jukes around 34 Bombers have facing long-term suspension, there's a good chance you won't have a team to support next year ahahaha, It'll be the first 15 Bomber fans to enter the stadium put on a guernsey and line up haahaha. I'm only been reading into Monfries and Ryder, and Monfries is apparently expecting a 3-6 month suspension.. . 

[Ringo]

Will not add much but remember Gardiner, McStay, Cutler, Freeman and Taylor were only first year players so bit rich calling first year players spuds. Close made is debut this year as well and Clarke is only in his second year,

I agree with you power that Lions will improve and I agree anywhere from 7 - 12 depending on draw is a possibility but realistically expecting 10 - 12.

[nrich102]

How the flower can you call Clarke a spud? What's next, Harry Taylor and Rory Thompson sre spuds as well?

Harwood would be borderline best 22 at most clubs I think.

If Josh Green is a spud Chad Wingard is going into uncharted territory. Green is a gun.

I'll remember you calling Jono a spud, and get back to you when he wins the coleman. Close isn't this best player in the world, but will be a solid player in future years.

McStay is a beast.

In summary, you don't know anything about Brisbane players

[powersuperkents]

How the flower can you call Clarke a spud? What's next, Harry Taylor and Rory Thompson sre spuds as well?

Harwood would be borderline best 22 at most clubs I think.

If Josh Green is a spud Chad Wingard is going into uncharted territory. Green is a gun.

I'll remember you calling Jono a spud, and get back to you when he wins the coleman. Close isn't this best player in the world, but will be a solid player in future years.

McStay is a beast.

In summary, you don't know anything about Brisbane players

Green & Wingard are incomparable. Honestly, compare their accolades, it's isn't even a good analogy...

Jono winning the Coleman is incredibly unlikelky (i.e. will never happen), I'd say Close is the more likely to win it (but I doubt it, winning the Coleman really comes down to the year, form, & team; not always a representative of the best forward), Jono Brown is the only Brisbane player to ever... ever win the Coleman, & none of those rookies, thus far, have compared to him in the slightest. 

"Clarke a spud? What's next, Harry Taylor and Rory Thompson sre spuds as well?" - the problem with this statement is, I never said Taylor & Thompson were spuds, and were do you get the entitlement to compare a #4 in the rookie draft with only 36 games under his belt (yet to prove anything) to a no. 17 draft pick and 2 time All-Australian, with 146 games, and 2 premierships. This is how insignificant Justin Clarke is, I'm quite aware of most of the Brisbane team, yet I don't even know who Justin Clarke is... He may not be a spud and I honestly was just having a laugh when I affirmed Jukes post (that's how insignificant a player he has been so far at professional level; compare that to Wingard who draws a flowering crowd and makes the highlight reels every week (let's not forget his first, and definitely not last, mark of the year winner), but when you compare a unproven rookie like Justin Clarke with a player as great as Harry Taylor... He's not just a spud... He's shower!!

Seriously man, but be irrational, because when you write illogical rhetoric only other irrational people will take it seriously. Furthermore, all it takes someone to just evaluate what you've said with some level-headed thought and notice that there is no credibility whatsoever. This is the second time you've done this hahahaha. It's good to have team pride, but when it's just ridiculous.

Again (for the sake of reviewing your analogies):

Harry Taylor/Rory Thompson > Clarke (at this point in time; FACT)

Josh Green < Chad Wingard (at this point in time; FACT)

Jono winning the Coleman... Very unlikely at this point of time, yes it's possible, but it's possible any player to win the Coleman theoretically, would I place money on it in a lifetime bet... No... & you wouldn't either

In summary, it appears I know more about Brisbane player than you do and have a more accurate perception because I focus on, and am aware of, 18 teams rather than an insular perception of one...

Overall, why do you bother with this redundant rebuttals..... 

[Vinny]

NRich, your bias hurts my brain. Lets not forget this is a team that came 15th last year.

[powersuperkents]

NRich, your bias hurts my brain. Lets not forget this is a team that came 15th last year.

+1

But I'm really hoping that the Lions smash Collingwood in R1. Seriously like the Dockers last year, give the pies the worst possible start. Also hoping for Beams to rack up +45 disposals and 2-3 goals. I think Brisbane will win it, but it'll most likely be a tight game, but really I hope they destroy them.

R1 sucks, I think every Port supporter is now sick of playing Freo at Paterson's... Literally it's Freo at Paterson's, Richmond, Freo at Paterson's, Hawks, and guess whose our round 1 match up... Yes that's right, Freo at Paterson's