Direction of British xv's 2015/Reduction of Teams

[Memphistopheles]

Just FYI I've gone through the lists of the two folding teams and right now I count 62 players who would improve our team (I've included older guys who would be best XV that I probably wouldn't pick).

If possible I'd much rather grab some of these guys than draftees so we are more competitive next season. But, with just the one recycle draft pick and rookie draft picks I realistically will only get 3-4 max.

[JBs-Hawks]

Could throw the leftovers in the nat draft to throw a spanner in the works ;)

[Spite]

Could throw the leftovers in the nat draft to throw a spanner in the works ;)

Rookie draft is after the nat draft though right?

I like Memphs proposal a lot. Pretty much spot on in my eyes including the trading of these extra picks. Should help equalise it a bit further.

Regarding the breakdown of who gets which pick, I think you've broken it down a little too much ringo? Maybe put then in bands of bottom 4, next 6, next 6 etc or maybe 4/5/7 split.

Remember for example, the hedgehogs finished 8th on the ladder last year. We traded out lobbe, Nathan jones and Heath shaw and regrettably actually weakened our team. We fortunately missed all injuries this entire year leading to where we are now, a top 4 team, but this shows the difference in quality of a top 7 side is really just luck on injuries throughout the year. (Hence the change in bands)
As ringo said before, any team on any day could beat any team (I'm making the bottom 9 teams an exception to this - which is large) so therefore why should this years batch of top 4 have to be stuck with the worst 4 picks if any team can beat any team?

[JBs-Hawks]

Could throw the leftovers in the nat draft to throw a spanner in the works ;)

Rookie draft is after the nat draft though right?

I like Memphs proposal a lot. Pretty much spot on in my eyes including the trading of these extra picks. Should help equalise it a bit further.

Regarding the breakdown of who gets which pick, I think you've broken it down a little too much ringo? Maybe put then in bands of bottom 4, next 6, next 6 etc or maybe 4/5/7 split.

Remember for example, the hedgehogs finished 8th on the ladder last year. We traded out lobbe, Nathan jones and Heath shaw and regrettably actually weakened our team. We fortunately missed all injuries this entire year leading to where we are now, a top 4 team, but this shows the difference in quality of a top 7 side is really just luck on injuries throughout the year. (Hence the change in bands)
As ringo said before, any team on any day could beat any team (I'm making the bottom 9 teams an exception to this - which is large) so therefore why should this years batch of top 4 have to be stuck with the worst 4 picks if any team can beat any team?

Pfft play hebdon bridge down some more. You finished 2nd last year after finals, won the rob roy and minor premiership this year. The top 3 is clearly stronger,  they can be beat but they are clearly stronger depth wise and consistency wise.

[Nige]

TL;DR version pls.  :P

[SydneyRox]

Just some views from reading everything so far

I like memphs suggestions as far as the recycle draft trading window.
What about 2 rounds for the recycle draft? As one of the lower teams a 2nd pick here is going to help me become more competitive quicker?
Can the Bunnines apply for a priority selection?

[JBs-Hawks]

TL;DR version pls.  :P

Hedgehogs arent good they're just lucky ;)

[Nige]

TL;DR version pls.  :P

Hedgehogs arent good they're just lucky ;)

Lez, is that you?  :o :P

Haha just read the posts, sounds okay to me.

Just lay it out nice and clearly in the OP of the threads in needs to be in.

[Spite]

TL;DR version pls.  :P

Hedgehogs arent good they're just lucky ;)

Did we all not draft our teams two years ago? Did you not draft the best players you could? We had a middle of the table pick, we took Stanton with pick 1. We haven't traded particularly well overall at all. Most would say we have traded badly. You want to punish us for being able to draft a better team than you? Are we better coaches?
Or...did we just have no injuries, did we not draft young young players and only pick proven performs?
Now we are being punished for having a better team that we worked hard on, did the research for etc

You want a hand out, as simple as that. I'm fine for the very bottom teams getting a boost but I strongly believe the top 7 teams should have equal chance of getting the worst pick and if we get it then so be it.

[Nige]

TL;DR version pls.  :P

Hedgehogs arent good they're just lucky ;)

Did we all not draft our teams two years ago? Did you not draft the best players you could? We had a middle of the table pick, we took Stanton with pick 1. We haven't traded particularly well overall at all. Most would say we have traded badly. You want to punish us for being able to draft a better team than you? Are we better coaches?
Or...did we just have no injuries, did we not draft young young players and only pick proven performs?
Now we are being punished for having a better team that we worked hard on, did the research for etc

You want a hand out, as simple as that. I'm fine for the very bottom teams getting a boost but I strongly believe the top 7 teams should have equal chance of getting the worst pick and if we get it then so be it.

I daresay JB wasn't all that serious hence the ;) and all.

[Memphistopheles]

Just some views from reading everything so far

I like memphs suggestions as far as the recycle draft trading window.
What about 2 rounds for the recycle draft? As one of the lower teams a 2nd pick here is going to help me become more competitive quicker?
Can the Bunnines apply for a priority selection?

I'd support a multiple-round recycle draft. With trade window for picks.

What about a three round one where the first round is as is and the second and third round snakes?

So we'd have Pick 1, Pick 17 and then Pick 48.

Giants would have Pick 2, Pick 18 and Pick 47.

etc

Because even at Pick 48 I'd be taking someone useful to my team (more so that Rutten, Mitch Clark, LRT who are all forced delistments...)

Otherwise the rookie draft essentially functions as Round 2. We'd take the 17th best player from this pool with #1 in the rookie draft no doubt about it imo.

[Ringo]

The Swaggers and Falcons are folding in the British competition. Rather than seek new coaches I am proposing we reduce the British Competition to 16 Teams.


How to do this fairly is the problem so I am putting this proposal out for discussion and comment.

We reinstate our lists to 45 players.

For this year only the following to apply.

1. There will be a two drafts for Players from Swaggers from Falcons.
First Draft
1. Steins
2. Giants
Then Random Draws as follows:
Picks 3 - 6 (Rams Bunnies Owls Breakers)
Picks 7 - 11 (Cruisers, Hawks, Dragons, Magic, Hurricanes  )
Picks 12 - 16 ( Hoods, Hedgehogs, Badgers, Werewolves, Leeches)

Second Draft only for Teams finishing in Bottom 9 (Bear in mind Swaggers finished 9th and Falcons 7th)
1. Steins
2, Giants
Randomised Draw
(Breakers, Owls, Bunnies, Rams, Cruisers, Hawks, Dragons)

Once order is published there will be a short trade period  ending 5th September where you can trade your Draft picks to other teams for players.  These will not count as player movements for either team

Additional Players draft will be held.

In Order to have rookie draft order in order teams will be required to delist players by 5th September as well.

National Draft will be 4 Rounds only and only players in the National Draft will be available for this draft. Bottom 4 Teams will have an additional priority pick at conclusion of Round 1 of the National DRaft

Rookie Draft.
Teams will then have sufficient draft picks from all left over players, rookies listed and left over National Draft players to bring lists to 45 players.  That is if say after National Draft you have only 30 players on your list you will have 15 selections in the rookie draft.
Obviously Players do not go onto Rookie list so also for this year only 4 rookies must be named with final list lodgement in priority order.

Should there be any delistments retirements of players after September 5th from your lists a compensation pick will be granted following all selections in the rookie draft.

Risk will be coaches may delist too many players and be weakened but judicious de-listings.  There should be an additional 60 players available to select from along with de-listed players.

Rookie Draft picks will now become valuable for trading as well so you can see why all delistings have to be done earlier.

Please feel free to comment or offer alternate suggestions.


Thought I would repost here. My rationale is trying to strengthen the Steins and Giants who we all agree are our weakest links at the moment and also add some depth the lower teams. My opinion is this will really strengthen the competition and make it very even.

[Justin Bieber]

But there will always be the constant struggle to find new coaches. I think 16 teams will also lead to a more even comp look at axv and euros.

Euros is 14 teams lol.

[Spite]

Looks good ringo

[kilbluff1985]

so know who i want to pick already  ;D