MRP Results Round 21 Boomer gets 3 weeks Fyfe stays with 2 weeks

[shaker]

Freo challenging Fyfe's 2 weeks again tomorrow night.

[GCSkiwi]

Freo challenging Fyfe's 2 weeks again tomorrow night.

Yeah can someone explain how it went down to me? I was following Schmook's live chat and it seemed like it didn't even go to the jury, the chair just said "nah mate you're done" and threw the book at him? From the vision I've seen I reckon Fyfe's defense is spot on, the intentional contact was body level, not head level... Did I miss something?

[batt]

Yeah can someone explain how it went down to me? I was following Schmook's live chat and it seemed like it didn't even go to the jury, the chair just said "nah mate you're done" and threw the book at him? From the vision I've seen I reckon Fyfe's defense is spot on, the intentional contact was body level, not head level... Did I miss something?

Fyfe's camp asked for the hit to be graded as follows:
-reckless if high contact
-intentional if body contact

I'm fairly sure it was thrown out because Fyfe's camp admitted the hit was intentional, therefore the chair said "if you admit to hitting intentionally, we can't grade it any other way, no matter where you intended to hit them" and therefore threw it out.

To me, that seems pretty common-sensical.  If you intend to hit someone, you should be accountable for wherever you hit them.  I find it ludicrous that a player could get off by saying their intent was not to hit them in the head, and therefore it should not be graded as intentional contact.  That is entirely subjective and would set a precedent for other players to contest their charges in a similar way.

I will be extremely disappointed in the MRP if he wins the appeal.

[Bully]

Freo challenging Fyfe's 2 weeks again tomorrow night.

Yeah can someone explain how it went down to me? I was following Schmook's live chat and it seemed like it didn't even go to the jury, the chair just said "nah mate you're done" and threw the book at him? From the vision I've seen I reckon Fyfe's defense is spot on, the intentional contact was body level, not head level... Did I miss something?

Promising and much needed, 1 week is acceptable.

[GCSkiwi]

Yeah can someone explain how it went down to me? I was following Schmook's live chat and it seemed like it didn't even go to the jury, the chair just said "nah mate you're done" and threw the book at him? From the vision I've seen I reckon Fyfe's defense is spot on, the intentional contact was body level, not head level... Did I miss something?

Fyfe's camp asked for the hit to be graded as follows:
-reckless if high contact
-intentional if body contact

I'm fairly sure it was thrown out because Fyfe's camp admitted the hit was intentional, therefore the chair said "if you admit to hitting intentionally, we can't grade it any other way, no matter where you intended to hit them" and therefore threw it out.

To me, that seems pretty common-sensical.  If you intend to hit someone, you should be accountable for wherever you hit them.  I find it ludicrous that a player could get off by saying their intent was not to hit them in the head, and therefore it should not be graded as intentional contact.  That is entirely subjective and would set a precedent for other players to contest their charges in a similar way.

I will be extremely disappointed in the MRP if he wins the appeal.

Haha I'm almost completely the opposite, I'll be disappointed if it doesn't get downgraded to one week. I accept the logic of if you intend to hit then you're responsible for where it lands but isn't it a bit like murder vs manslaughter (disclaimer: not a lawyer) - if you set out to kill someone and plan it so then yep fair play you're done for murder. But if you set out to teach them a lesson and injure them, but they die as a result, it's manslaughter... the end result was the same but the intention was different. In this case the defense is not that Fyfe wasn't trying to hit him, he's admitting that, but it was Lewis' actions that caused the hit to be high. So the strike was intended to cause body contact, it was not an intentional head strike. Otherwise where would you draw the line, there's heaps of niggle off the ball with shoulders and pushing, if someone ducks their head into a shove is that also then a 2 week offense? The duck-er has created that situation, even if the duck-ee intended to shove in the first place...

[batt]

Otherwise where would you draw the line, there's heaps of niggle off the ball with shoulders and pushing, if someone ducks their head into a shove is that also then a 2 week offense? The duck-er has created that situation, even if the duck-ee intended to shove in the first place...

As you can probably guess I disagree lol.  If a player shoves another player with enough force that the MRP have to look at it, then of course they should get weeks.  Don't want a suspension?  Don't shove someone so hard (mind you, it'd take a lot of force for the MRP to look at a shove).  I don't believe the MRP would ever give leverage to the perpetrator.

Sounds familiar?

Bart: OK, but on my way, I'm going to be doing this: (starts waving arms and walking towards her) If you get hit, it's your own fault.
Lisa: OK, then I'm going to start kicking air like this. (kicks) And if any part of you should fill that air, it's your own fault.
(they walk towards each other, and start fighting)

[GCSkiwi]

Yeah fair enough though the bart/lisa thing is a bit oversimplified no? The MRP are basically squashing any time someone touches the general head region of another player so if you go back to my hypothetical duck/shove and apply the same logic as was applied to Fyfe, it's two weeks again. Fyfe's hit on Lewis did nothing, so there wasn't a lot of force in it, certainly no more than what you'd see from a defender on a FF after they score :P He's not saying he should get off, just that the grading wasn't right for the circumstances. I guess I just think the circumstances need to be looked at holistically, the system of "intentional or not" + "body or head" + "sufficient force or not" makes it far too black and white when these incidents rarely are. Part of me agrees in the sense that you don't want to create a situation where violence is accepted as part of the game like ice hockey, but if this is a two week offense then most weeks pretty much everyone should be copping a reprimand or 1 week for intentional body contact based off the general niggle...

[batt]

I agree, the main problem is the grading system.  Intentional + low impact should not be 4 activation points.  Stupid.

The problem is Fyfe's camp can't contest the combination of intentional + low impact because he admitted to it being intentional.

[tor01doc]

Can't see all the fuss.

He basically king hit Lewis who was looking the other way.

Cheap shot - take your medicine and shut the flower up.

[Mailman the 2nd]

Can't see all the fuss.

He basically king hit Lewis who was looking the other way.

Cheap shot - take your medicine and shut the flower up.

[tor01doc]

Living up to your name Mailman?   ;)

[GCSkiwi]

Can't see all the fuss.

He basically king hit Lewis who was looking the other way.

Cheap shot - take your medicine and shut the flower up.

Not really... Fyfe clearly swings and cops Lewis below the shoulder, and at the same time Lewis swings his arm up and causes Fyfe's arm to then slide into his jaw, it's hardly a case of Fyfe clocking Lewis completely unawares. It's hardly Bazza vs Staker, there was no intent to hit him in the head... Actus reus and mens rea, no? Yet because the hit was A: intentional and B: ended up head high, it's classed as an intentional high strike. I completely agree with the Fyfe defense that if you're judging the intention then the strike is intentionally low, if you're pinging him for high contact then it was reckless high contact.
In April Douglas copped two weeks for a high bump on Ward, which was classed as reckless, high contact and high impact, two weeks. A bump is an intentional action, but he gets off with reckless because he didn't mean to kill Ward in the process - how is this any different? A swinging arm is a deliberate act as much as a bump is, and the intention of a bump is to take out a player, let's be honest. So if Douglas gets two weeks for a hit that took Ward out of the game, how is it fair and consistent to slap Fyfe with the same ban for an incident that arguably had no effect on Lewis' game? 1 week for being a dickhead.

[tor01doc]

I still reckon it was a 'cheap shot' but I agree with '1 week'.

As for Boomer - I reckon 2 at most.

Is it just impossible to get consistency?

[GCSkiwi]

Consistency is always going to be difficult when the grading system is attempting to be black and white, I think the system should change. Look at what was the intent of the action and what was the affect on the player who copped it.

Boomer is tough, his argument if I understand was that he was just trying to get up but Picken was holding his jumper, and the elbow to the throat was just part of trying to get off the deck while Picken held him down... Basically "I wasn't trying to elbow him in the throat, I just happened to push with my elbow on his throat region as leverage to try and stand up". Pretty thin wouldn't you say? Agree Picken was asking for it and probably should have copped something for his role in it... But I reckon Boomer was already sitting around 1 week, possibly 2 for that beautiful suplex alone, the elbow was on top of that. I dunno doc, throats are delicate little things that can't be strengthened, in the very least Boomer needs educating on more effective ways to stand up from the missionary position... :P

[tor01doc]

Maybe a move to Footscray - play a more doggie style?