WXV Trade Talk

[kilbluff1985]

[Jroo]

My point all along has been that you can't only argue that Rocky will decline when both Gibbs and Rocky are similar chance to improve/decline.

Well I just did. I just don't believe they are a similar change to, but I'm not going to go through it again.

Ablett and Zac Dawson both have the same chance of improving/declining, don't they?

[Purple 77]

My point all along has been that you can't only argue that Rocky will decline when both Gibbs and Rocky are similar chance to improve/decline.

Well I just did. I just don't believe they are a similar change to, but I'm not going to go through it again.

Ablett and Zac Dawson both have the same chance of improving/declining, don't they?

Pfft. Gary Ablett might...

[Nige]

[GoLions]

Nige you better watch PnR, because if you don't then you have no right to post Ron Swanson gifs.

[Nige]

Nige you better watch PnR, because if you don't then you have no right to post Ron Swanson gifs.

[kilbluff1985]

[JBs-Hawks]

End of the day all this speculation either way means that neither side is getting really trade  raped so therefore it doesn't need to be negged.

Voting is to stop howlers not to make sure every trade is 100% even

[Memphistopheles]

Well we passed the trade as I actually though JROO was losing. I also don't believe Gilbert will get back to his best and will probably be delisted in a season or two when the kids develop at the Saints.

#FutureFest means no future for Gilbert imo.

Rockliff is better than Gibbs but Sandi's value as arguably the #1 SC ruck (if he can stay fully fit) is a lot more than Gilspud imo.

What I don't agree with though is re-submiting the trade as is. It was rejected because coaches felt it needs to be changes so this is just a recipe for it getting rejected again (although we'll probably vote the same way).

[AaronKirk]

End of the day all this speculation either way means that neither side is getting really trade  raped so therefore it doesn't need to be negged.

Voting is to stop howlers not to make sure every trade is 100% even

This sums it up.

[My Chumps]

It's good to have meow back.

Issue 5 This is Bad for the comp

Multiple Dublin Trades have got rejected for being not great for the comp and if thats the case than this is not just a bad trade but its bad for the comp.

Jroo did this analysis without this trade going through

Dublin: 1635
Mexico: 1607

As stated he has much much better depth than me so only 3 points difference in the starting squad with superior depth you could say he has a better squad next year

I have already stated how huge a win this is for Jroo, given Jroo's analysis i would say he is just as strong if not stronger than dublin already. This trade makes him easily the strongest team next year. If Dublin has trades getting rejected for getting too strong should a team getting stronger than Dublin also be rejected.

So here's the real issue for you Holz; you're concerned that Mexico might actually challenge Dublin if this trade gets through. If anything, this is good for the comp as it's no longer just a one horse race. Your 'logic' is saturated in bias.

I rate Boak above Gibbs as proven 105+ scorer. But lets say even (even though they are not)

For the millionth time man, Gibbs only has one year of 105 because this is his first year in the midfield full time. Those years of 95 were in defence which was elite there. Boak has been playing there most of his career.

How can you rate one above the other? That's complete opinion.

I agree the system is flawed but in saying that. This trade isn't dead even but hardly bad enough to neg.

So how did this one pass and our trade fail (we passed all trades bar the fake one for the record)?

If Meow can assume that Rocky will score less with the new mids coming to Brisbane (which I agree with) why can't we assume that Libba will drop now that Griffen has left and will very likely cop a tag every week which he has never had to deal with.

How do we know that Bennell will get DPP next season? We cannot. We need to work on the assumption he will not and see what is best to improve our list- which IMO we did.

Its not a risky trade one way or the other- I won't mind if we cannot get a workable deal because we get to keep Libba and Bennell but Boak and Gunston are better structually,

anyway.

You keep saying, 'it's for the long term' with Gunston guaranteed to be a full time forward, but if you're actually planning for the long term, then why are you trading one of the most promising fantasy youngsters for consequently an older mid?

Libba's averaged four more points than Boak when comparing their career best seasons and he's four years younger.

Harley's averaged 7 points more than Gunston when comparing their career best seasons and is a year younger.

I understand that 'long term' structure is important but if this trade period's any indication, there are a huge amount of changes made each year, and to make a trade solely because in two/three years time Gunston will still be a forward without considering the points lost and potential squandered by trading Libba seems pretty conterintuitive to me.

[Nige]

[Holz]

So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o

In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.

Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off

Yes of course Rocky has less chance of improving.

Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol.

As I had I don't expect him to find as much ball next year, he was they're only decent mid apart from Pearce and Zorko.

They had guys like Bewick, Aish and co. in the mids last year, someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.

Can you explain the back half of 2013 when he averaged like 129

with Rich Redden Moloney all fit and playing?

Rich will move to backline so he is out, Robbo will play a lot up front and so can Christo.

and now they should start winning games so more points to share around.

I can see 125+ very very possible.

people should give me rocky back if you think he is a 115 mid.

[elephants]

You use this one a fair bit and with good reason. Perfect :P

[Holz]

In response to

Chumps

so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.

But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.

Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.