WXV Trade Talk

[kilbluff1985]

actually it is correct

it's more so if your team gets smashed by 60+ it's more likely you will get scaled down and less likely you will get scaled up

and players do get scaled sometimes just because there team won

[Jroo]

In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.

Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis

well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.

Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline

No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P

They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.

[meow meow]

In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.

Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis

well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.

Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline

Haha I never said he was playing half back. I am saying he won't be getting those easy kicks that make his stats look oh so good. Brisbane needed him to do it last year, but with Hanley and Rich back there Rockliff will have to earn more possessions rather than getting the easy uncontested cheap kicks that he loved to float back and rack up.

[meow meow]

Guys, you have resubbed the trade and kept it as is

This conversation is going on forever, and around in circles

I think the coaches have seen enough here now to decide if they are going to pass or neg it :P

Was going to say this.

Here's an idea - Ossie puts the trade to vote next Monday and all coaches get to decide if they want to pass or neg it?  :P

There's nothing wrong with a bit of discussion. Nobody has had a hissy fit... yet.

[Master Q]

Not saying you guys shouldn't discuss trades... I do, and like it too  :P

But after however many pages where have you come?  :P

[Ricochet]

In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.

Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis

well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.

Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline

No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P

They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.

But what does it prove mate? He gets easy ball because he floats down back, a lot of mids do. But if Hanley and co are strengthening Brissies backline next year like you say, then he's just going to be getting easy ball from them on the way out. As the team improved, the group as a whole will find more footy. So he has every chance to improve

Basically you said Rocky will def decline, and Gibbs will def improve. I'm saying you can't argue that when both are similar chance to improve/decline. If Rocky was being forced to play fwd again, or Gibbs to a half back role, then it would be a different story.

So you have to value this trade on as it stands right now. And their averages right now.

[RaisyDaisy]

Guys, you have resubbed the trade and kept it as is

This conversation is going on forever, and around in circles

I think the coaches have seen enough here now to decide if they are going to pass or neg it :P

Was going to say this.

Here's an idea - Ossie puts the trade to vote next Monday and all coaches get to decide if they want to pass or neg it?  :P

There's nothing wrong with a bit of discussion. Nobody has had a hissy fit... yet.

There's nothing wrong at all with a bit of discussion, but its like 6 or so pages now... We get your points by now :P

[Nige]

Nothing to see here guys.

[RaisyDaisy]

Nothing to see here guys.

ROFL!! This sums up my feelings 100% haha

[Jroo]

In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.

Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis

well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.

Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline

No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P

They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.

But what does it prove mate? He gets easy ball because he floats down back, a lot of mids do. But if Hanley and co are strengthening Brissies backline next year like you say, then he's just going to be getting easy ball from them on the way out. As the team improved, the group as a whole will find more footy. So he has every chance to improve

Basically you said Rocky will def decline, and Gibbs will def improve. I'm saying you can't argue that when both are similar chance to improve/decline. If Rocky was being forced to play fwd again, or Gibbs to a half back role, then it would be a different story.

So you have to value this trade on as it stands right now. And their averages right now.

as meow said:
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.

Did I say Gibbs will def improve? You're the one saying Rocky has more of chance of improving, than Gibbs which makes no sense to me.

[meow meow]

In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.

Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis

well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.

Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline

No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P

They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.

But what does it prove mate? He gets easy ball because he floats down back, a lot of mids do. But if Hanley and co are strengthening Brissies backline next year like you say, then he's just going to be getting easy ball from them on the way out. As the team improved, the group as a whole will find more footy. So he has every chance to improve

Basically you said Rocky will def decline, and Gibbs will def improve. I'm saying you can't argue that when both are similar chance to improve/decline. If Rocky was being forced to play fwd again, or Gibbs to a half back role, then it would be a different story.

So you have to value this trade on as it stands right now. And their averages right now.

YES!

Based on their averages right now, the trade has to pass because Sandi averages a flowerload more than Gilbert. More than enough to make up for the Rocky to Gibbs part.

It's not just Rockliff vs Gibbs! Even if their averages don't change it is still an even trade. For me to win, Rocky has to decline and Gibbs improve. If nothing changes it is dead even already.

[meow meow]

Okay, I'm done.

[Nige]

[Toga]

I move that Rockliff be traded to Beijing for Alipate Carlile - pretty fair deal so that should kill any need for debate.

[Ricochet]

In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.

Yep, highest average for a mid, only behind Brandon Ellis

well not exactly 100%. Sam Gibson, Ellis and NDS all had more.

Also Rocky gets those because he floats back as a midfielder. Brissie weren't playing him on the half backline

No that's correct. I said average, not total. :P

They all played much more games than Rocky, so that should be expected.

But what does it prove mate? He gets easy ball because he floats down back, a lot of mids do. But if Hanley and co are strengthening Brissies backline next year like you say, then he's just going to be getting easy ball from them on the way out. As the team improved, the group as a whole will find more footy. So he has every chance to improve

Basically you said Rocky will def decline, and Gibbs will def improve. I'm saying you can't argue that when both are similar chance to improve/decline. If Rocky was being forced to play fwd again, or Gibbs to a half back role, then it would be a different story.

So you have to value this trade on as it stands right now. And their averages right now.

as meow said:
In my opinion, Rockliff got a ton of easy kicks across half back. I bet his rebound 50's are huge for a mid. With Hanley not needed in the mids, and the possible role of Rich across half back these points are going to go to other guys instead of Rockliff.

Did I say Gibbs will def improve? You're the one saying Rocky has more of chance of improving, than Gibbs which makes no sense to me.

Umm no I didn't. I've only made arguments for Rocky to improve. Which is just as likely as a decline.
Same goes for Gibbs.

You said it here, and also agreed with the predicted 110ave... which is an improvement

I like Gibbs and yeah I reckon he's still got improvement too. Blues may be on the slide, but not sure how that effects him? Lions were shower last year and Rocky dominated?

Yeah no chance Rocky will close to 130 IMO. He only started to find a lot of the ball when he had no mids, lol. Now Rich, Redden, Beams, Christo and Robbo come into that midfield and he's going to drop his output. I see him going 115-120 (which is still awesome, mind you).

And I showed good mids can still score well in a team stacked with other good mids


My point all along has been that you can't only argue that Rocky will decline when both Gibbs and Rocky are similar chance to improve/decline.