WXV Trade Talk

[meow meow]

Issue 1
Gilbert is 28 and has dodgy feet. One more injury and he's finished. Sandi has stated that he wants to play on in 2016 (even if it's not at Freo - so their rucks stocks don't matter). The dude isn't going to shrink and even if his extreme pace deserts him he will still be a capable ruck for at least 2 seasons.

Issue 2
264 + 75 = 339
216 + 106 = 322

Not enough to block the trade over.

Issue 3
All opinion. I say Gibbs will get better, you say he won't. Not worth blocking it over.

Issue 4
More opinion.

Issue 5
Already shown that Mexico's best XV doesn't improve.

[JBs-Hawks]

You rate Gibbs Holz, you chased him pretty hard ;)

[Holz]

Issue 1
Gilbert is 28 and has dodgy feet. One more injury and he's finished. Sandi has stated that he wants to play on in 2016 (even if it's not at Freo - so their rucks stocks don't matter). The dude isn't going to shrink and even if his extreme pace deserts him he will still be a capable ruck for at least 2 seasons.

Issue 2
264 + 75 = 339
216 + 106 = 322

Not enough to block the trade over.

Issue 3
All opinion. I say Gibbs will get better, you say he won't. Not worth blocking it over.

Issue 4
More opinion.

Issue 5
Already shown that Mexico's best XV doesn't improve.

Issue 1: Sandi has dodgy feet and is 32 and a big guy, big guys are more susceptible to injuries. He can say what he wants he will be managed and injuries will end him.

Issue 3: if its all opinion than lets have Rocky 132 and Gibbs 105.

taking out opinion Rocky is 27 points better. He also went 140 in the second half, he could even lift. He could get D/M status who knows. Everyone knows that Rocky is better than gibbs.

Issue 5: when sandi is gone in a year. Gibbs to Rocky is like a 30 point increase so it does improve the 22.

[Master Q]

The last few pages of this thread.

tl;dr

[Holz]

You rate Gibbs Holz, you chased him pretty hard ;)

I do rate him, but he is basically being trade for rocky.

I gave up Mundy + 12 for Gibbs.

Mundy is a 104  old mid and picks i dont rate.

Rocky is a whole other level I got Boak + Gunston for him. Boak is basically Gibbs so Jroo is getting Gunston quality for free.

[Toga]

For the record this was the only trade Cape Town negged although I wanted to neg the Yeo/Polec one but Chumps persuaded me not to (I really rate Duffy and Tarrant despite them not having now shown much so far)

Interesting! We thought we'd need to pay a pretty high price to get Polec on board. Questions over Yeo's long-term positional prospects, and having a career ceiling of only 96 (where he played as a fwd, outside of his regular role) compared to Polec's season high of 141 (including 10 90+ games) made us think we had to add a bit on top. While Tarrant and Duffy aren't slouches, they haven't established themselves as having great JS which means they were on the outer of our team. Rather than have to make mass delistings we thought it would be more sensible to use them as sweeteners in the deal.

Wouldn't change it if we had the time again tbh, very happy with how our trades turned out :)

[Vinny]

Explain how Gibbs won't improve? First year as a full time midfielder. Those other 90s numbers weren't as a full time midfielder so there is no reason he will go back to them. He is 26 and will play in the guts for the next 4 years. Murphy will always be no.1 tagged and Gibbs won't get tagged for more than 10 games for the year.

The playing for Carlton argument is bullshower. Rocky killed it in a bottom 4 team.

Top 10 losses ever is a MASSIVE exaggeration. This trade is hardly bad enough to neg.

[Nige]

The last few pages of this thread.

tl;dr

I hear ya brother.

[Toga]

Top 10 losses ever is a MASSIVE exaggeration. This trade is hardly bad enough to neg.

And here I am still trying to work out how Beijing lost Sidebottom :-X  ???

[Holz]

Explain how Gibbs won't improve? First year as a full time midfielder. Those other 90s numbers weren't as a full time midfielder so there is no reason he will go back to them. He is 26 and will play in the guts for the next 4 years. Murphy will always be no.1 tagged and Gibbs won't get tagged for more than 10 games for the year.

The playing for Carlton argument is bullshower. Rocky killed it in a bottom 4 team.

Top 10 losses ever is a MASSIVE exaggeration. This trade is hardly bad enough to neg.

Career best year from an AFL standard. Carlton will keep slipping, most people are tipping them bottom 5. Rocky is an accumulator who gets 40+ touches and 10 tackles a game. Gibbs isnt that type of player, if you analyse the type of players who score well in winning and losing teams like I do, he will struggle.

top 10 worst trades is not an exageration, i think this is probably top 3 worst this trade period. Its certainly worse than 75%+ of the ones been rejected.

[Nige]

Imagine a world where Rockliff stayed in New Delhi.

[Ricochet]

Imagine a world where Rockliff stayed in New Delhi.

:'(


New Delhi Gives: Picks 8, 45, and Tom Rockliff
New Delhi Receives: Pick 7, Leigh Montagna, Clinton Young and Lee Spurr

[Master Q]

For the record this was the only trade Cape Town negged although I wanted to neg the Yeo/Polec one but Chumps persuaded me not to (I really rate Duffy and Tarrant despite them not having now shown much so far)

Interesting! We thought we'd need to pay a pretty high price to get Polec on board. Questions over Yeo's long-term positional prospects, and having a career ceiling of only 96 (where he played as a fwd, outside of his regular role) compared to Polec's season high of 141 (including 10 90+ games) made us think we had to add a bit on top. While Tarrant and Duffy aren't slouches, they haven't established themselves as having great JS which means they were on the outer of our team. Rather than have to make mass delistings we thought it would be more sensible to use them as sweeteners in the deal.

Wouldn't change it if we had the time again tbh, very happy with how our trades turned out :)

Simply: If we thought Yeo will stay a defender, we would have kept him. But Polec is definitely better.

Besides, we have plenty of young talent  :P

[Nige]

Imagine a world where Rockliff stayed in New Delhi.

:'(


New Delhi Gives: Picks 8, 45, and Tom Rockliff
New Delhi Receives: Pick 7, Leigh Montagna, Clinton Young and Lee Spurr

I cri evrytiem

[meow meow]

Issue 1: Sandi has dodgy feet and is 32 and a big guy, big guys are more susceptible to injuries. He can say what he wants he will be managed and injuries will end him.

Issue 3: if its all opinion than lets have Rocky 132 and Gibbs 105.

taking out opinion Rocky is 27 points better. He also went 140 in the second half, he could even lift. He could get D/M status who knows. Everyone knows that Rocky is better than gibbs.

Issue 5: when sandi is gone in a year. Gibbs to Rocky is like a 30 point increase so it does improve the 22.

1: They're as injury prone as each other. But that's the risk I am choosing to take.

3: I'm not disputing that Rocky is better than Gibbs. I'm not disputing that Sandi is 27 points better than Gilbert either :P.

5: He's got more than 1 year left in him. Plus you're assuming Rockliff can maintain his average with Beams, Rich etc in the team, while Gibbs doesn't improve at all. Opinion again.