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Started by Ricochet, August 12, 2014, 11:23:10 AM

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AaronKirk

#1185
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY, not a desperation to trade out Bennell

Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.

Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.

Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him  ::)


DazBurg

Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY.

Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.


Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.

Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him  ::)

think you over value him too much
i mean each to there own
but considering he turns 24 next year i highly doubt he will average 95+ for a whole 10 years.

LOL Sorry AK couldn't help but point that out just a little fun mate ;)



AaronKirk

Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY.

Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.


Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.

Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him  ::)

think you over value him too much
i mean each to there own
but considering he turns 24 next year i highly doubt he will average 95+ for a whole 10 years.

LOL Sorry AK couldn't help but point that out just a little fun mate ;)

haha fair enough. But it is relative. a 90+ averaging forward is more valuable than a 100 averaging midfielder.

Will Bennell ever play a full season? How many games has he missed over the seasons due to soft tissue injury?

I just don't rate him that highly (I think that point has been made).


DazBurg

Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY.

Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.


Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.

Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him  ::)

think you over value him too much
i mean each to there own
but considering he turns 24 next year i highly doubt he will average 95+ for a whole 10 years.

LOL Sorry AK couldn't help but point that out just a little fun mate ;)

haha fair enough. But it is relative. a 90+ averaging forward is more valuable than a 100 averaging midfielder.

Will Bennell ever play a full season? How many games has he missed over the seasons due to soft tissue injury?

I just don't rate him that highly (I think that point has been made).
yeah fair enough
i know alot rate him (including me i'd love to have him but don't think we have the assets to deal for him)

but in saying that if you don't or you feel for team structure he needs to be moved to get in something better i understand
just need to keep looking or working (if you still feel like you can be bothered after all the rejections of it)

Nige

I rate both guys and believe they're fairly equal tbh.

If I had to pick one to have on my team? Probably Harley Bennell.

AaronKirk

Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 10:46:38 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 10:38:47 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on October 05, 2014, 10:33:48 AM
I think I will give up explaining the absolute desire I have to get Walters to NY.

Will be a 95+ forward for the next decade.


Bennell IMO will not get DPP next year.

Guess Bennell is open to everyone, but won't be moving unless we get a ridiculous offer based on how highly some people rate him  ::)

think you over value him too much
i mean each to there own
but considering he turns 24 next year i highly doubt he will average 95+ for a whole 10 years.

LOL Sorry AK couldn't help but point that out just a little fun mate ;)

haha fair enough. But it is relative. a 90+ averaging forward is more valuable than a 100 averaging midfielder.

Will Bennell ever play a full season? How many games has he missed over the seasons due to soft tissue injury?

I just don't rate him that highly (I think that point has been made).
yeah fair enough
i know alot rate him (including me i'd love to have him but don't think we have the assets to deal for him)

but in saying that if you don't or you feel for team structure he needs to be moved to get in something better i understand
just need to keep looking or working (if you still feel like you can be bothered after all the rejections of it)

Yeah thats right Daz. We will still be working hard. The main reason for this trade is structure- As I said above I don't think Bennell will get DPP.

So Bennell is on the table for everyone.

We absolutely need  a premium scoring forward/s to move on Bennell. They would need to average above 88.6 (Walters average after his return from injury) and would require something more than pick the Dublin offered.

Ricochet

Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him

AaronKirk

Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him

It's a fair point you raise mate but we could wait but we are looking at long-term balance as well and our forwards long-term are weak.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: ossie85 on October 05, 2014, 10:23:30 AM
Trade 59
Beijing give: Matt Rosa
New York give: Aaron Black + Pick #39 ID

Votes against: 2

Coach comments: Feel Rosa/Black are evenish, 39 too much

Admin comments: Probably would've passed... just.... But unfortunately Pick 39 not with New York

Final verdict: REJECTED

Os, I am assuming you have simply rejected this because we don't have 39 now?

Only 2 coaches neg'd it, so clearly the majority agree with us in that Rosa and Black are not evenish - Rosa is better, with a better SC average, which is why we added the pick

We have Pick 41, so I will just resub the trade using 41 instead of 39

In terms of the Walters/Bennell deal, it's disappointing to see it get knocked back. I think its a more than fair deal too, echoing AK's previous comments, especially how a 90 avg forward is prob more important than a 100 avg mid

I hope Bennell does get DPP, otherwise as AK said you have to put up a 90 avg forward for him, or he stays at New York

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him

My concern with this is that we may not find out until after the trade period has completed

DazBurg

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 05, 2014, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him

My concern with this is that we may not find out until after the trade period has completed
there is a 2nd period after new positions are named

but can only do a trade for reasons of a change

(i.e someone loses fwd status so can trade for one etc or bennell gains fwd status but if he gains it you cannot trade him for a fwd since you gained unless another player lost fwd status)


AaronKirk

Quote from: The BeDazzler on October 05, 2014, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 05, 2014, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him

My concern with this is that we may not find out until after the trade period has completed
there is a 2nd period after new positions are named

but can only do a trade for reasons of a change

(i.e someone loses fwd status so can trade for one etc or bennell gains fwd status but if he gains it you cannot trade him for a fwd since you gained unless another player lost fwd status)

Which is why we probably would be looking to move Bennell on now for forward/s for team balance.

Holz

Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him

He will get dpp next year I'm pretty confident. He won't keep it past a year though and that's why it is a fair trade. Walters has shown he is a 90 average forward and when bennell loses dpp he needs to turn into a 105-110 mid at least for it to be fair. I just don't understandhow a 30 year old 88 back and a 27 79 average forward buys the better version of bennell (trealor). Yet a 90 average forward can't get bennell.

I wouldn't think to trade Walters for jjk + duffield and I'm going for a flag. Would give bennel up in a second for trealor.

DazBurg

Quote from: Holz on October 05, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 10:56:01 AM
Why don't you wait until possies are announced AK? Most believe Harley should get fwd status, so can only benefit you.
And if he doesn't you'll still be able to find a fwd for him because so many ppl rate him

He will get dpp next year I'm pretty confident. He won't keep it past a year though and that's why it is a fair trade. Walters has shown he is a 90 average forward and when bennell loses dpp he needs to turn into a 105-110 mid at least for it to be fair. I just don't understandhow a 30 year old 88 back and a 27 79 average forward buys the better version of bennell (trealor). Yet a 90 average forward can't get bennell.

I wouldn't think to trade Walters for jjk + duffield and I'm going for a flag. Would give bennel up in a second for trealor.

mate it is frustrating like how a 30 year old defender if worth so much as well

dunno i love trade period but really pisses me off as well as dunno if it is just PNL have nothing good or what but besides everyone wanting wingard we rarely seem to get these awesome offers everyone else gets  ::)

Jroo

I can't believe the Rocky trade failed.
Oh well, I'm not upset I didn't gain much from it, at all.