WXV Trade Talk

[Nails]

It's designed to make teams lose their entire team to retirements so teams are forced to accept your merger idea.

We can't trade them for picks. Nobody is going to give us 2 premiums in exchange because of their age.

We essentially can't trade them in either direction so we're forced to hold them 1-2 years and end up with HALF a team.

[ossie85]

It's designed to make teams lose their entire team to retirements so teams are forced to accept your merger idea.

We can't trade them for picks. Nobody is going to give us 2 premiums in exchange because of their age.

We essentially can't trade them in either direction so we're forced to hold them 1-2 years and end up with HALF a team.

it isn't designed for that

you can trade them picks, you just did, just to the wrong team

and it was your strategy to go old, this is the consequence. In fact the cap is far more lenient this year in part because I took your feedback. So screw you if you think I have an agenda against you

[My Chumps]

Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman

Barlow is worth roughly N2 + N4 + N22 and is 3 years younger than Swan with similar scoring ability. So Swan should be worth N12 + N21 + a a couple of average players (Delaney/Jetta). Chappy has a year or two left and won't play a full season so he's only worth like Grigg + a couple of average players Frost/Hewett.

Its not exactly even but not sure how this didn't pass and actually feel sorry for Holz. He is actually trying to help but cops shower for it.

The comp will be worse off if Nails/Vin have to hold onto Swan and Chappy because noone other than Holz will pay their worth. It will be Montags all over again. The Dildos won't be in a premiership window while these two are still around and next year they will be another year on and hold less value

Completely agreed, huge +1.

Also think trades should be taken on face value rather than being 'bad for the comp'. It's not like coaches are going to lose interest in their teams if Dublin goes undefeated.

[ossie85]

Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman

Barlow is worth roughly N2 + N4 + N22 and is 3 years younger than Swan with similar scoring ability. So Swan should be worth N12 + N21 + a a couple of average players (Delaney/Jetta). Chappy has a year or two left and won't play a full season so he's only worth like Grigg + a couple of average players Frost/Hewett.

Its not exactly even but not sure how this didn't pass and actually feel sorry for Holz. He is actually trying to help but cops shower for it.

The comp will be worse off if Nails/Vin have to hold onto Swan and Chappy because noone other than Holz will pay their worth. It will be Montags all over again. The Dildos won't be in a premiership window while these two are still around and next year they will be another year on and hold less value

Completely agreed, huge +1.

Also think trades should be taken on face value rather than being 'bad for the comp'. It's not like coaches are going to lose interest in their teams if Dublin goes undefeated.

of course they will. Already had a few coaches quit for this exact reason

[My Chumps]

Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman

Barlow is worth roughly N2 + N4 + N22 and is 3 years younger than Swan with similar scoring ability. So Swan should be worth N12 + N21 + a a couple of average players (Delaney/Jetta). Chappy has a year or two left and won't play a full season so he's only worth like Grigg + a couple of average players Frost/Hewett.

Its not exactly even but not sure how this didn't pass and actually feel sorry for Holz. He is actually trying to help but cops shower for it.

The comp will be worse off if Nails/Vin have to hold onto Swan and Chappy because noone other than Holz will pay their worth. It will be Montags all over again. The Dildos won't be in a premiership window while these two are still around and next year they will be another year on and hold less value

Completely agreed, huge +1.

Also think trades should be taken on face value rather than being 'bad for the comp'. It's not like coaches are going to lose interest in their teams if Dublin goes undefeated.

of course they will. Already had a few coaches quit for this exact reason

Well they shouldn't be in the competition then. It's one season ffs, this game is a dynasty

[ossie85]

It won't be one season, because the same argument can be used every year

[My Chumps]

It won't be one season, because the same argument can be used every year

What?

How many seasons do Swan and Chappy have left?

[ossie85]

It won't be one season, because the same argument can be used every year

What?

How many seasons do Swan and Chappy have left?

obviously not the same players, whichever temp fix it players they find to trade for picks and spuds

[Nails]

It's designed to make teams lose their entire team to retirements so teams are forced to accept your merger idea.

We can't trade them for picks. Nobody is going to give us 2 premiums in exchange because of their age.

We essentially can't trade them in either direction so we're forced to hold them 1-2 years and end up with HALF a team.

it isn't designed for that

you can trade them picks, you just did, just to the wrong team

and it was your strategy to go old, this is the consequence. In fact the cap is far more lenient this year in part because I took your feedback. So screw you if you think I have an agenda against you

It was my strategy to go old before the cap came in.

You can say "but you added like 2 old players post cap"

We were too far gone by then anyway, we were screwed the cap was brought in post-old.

And RE: Dublin - other teams can still beat them. Suns are still around. Pumas are still around.

We have players just as good as Swan/Chapman left.

Petrie went 96.6 in his last 13 games. We have Schulz, Matty Boyd, Dan Cross - all who could be as good as Swan/Stevie but the other teams that want to compete with Dublin aren't offering up anything.

If we trade Chapman/Swan for picks alone then we're stuck with Cross/Schulz/Hale/Boyd/Cross/Kornes and can't trade them as nobody will 1for1 them with anyone good that's young. And therefore any 2 for 1 puts us below cap.

[Nails]

Dublin Give: Pick 12 + Pick 21 + Luke Delaney + Shuan Grigg + Sam Frost + Neville Jetta + George Hewett
Dillos Give: Dane Swan + Paul Chapman

Barlow is worth roughly N2 + N4 + N22 and is 3 years younger than Swan with similar scoring ability. So Swan should be worth N12 + N21 + a a couple of average players (Delaney/Jetta). Chappy has a year or two left and won't play a full season so he's only worth like Grigg + a couple of average players Frost/Hewett.

Its not exactly even but not sure how this didn't pass and actually feel sorry for Holz. He is actually trying to help but cops shower for it.

The comp will be worse off if Nails/Vin have to hold onto Swan and Chappy because noone other than Holz will pay their worth. It will be Montags all over again. The Dildos won't be in a premiership window while these two are still around and next year they will be another year on and hold less value

Completely agreed, huge +1.

Also think trades should be taken on face value rather than being 'bad for the comp'. It's not like coaches are going to lose interest in their teams if Dublin goes undefeated.

This 1,000 times over.

The entire premise of the game is make your team as good as it can possibly be. If a team is getting their trades rejected because "your team is too good at completing the entire object of the game" then the whole game is in turn ruined.

[ossie85]

So sick of the grief!!! People having hissy fits because they don't get there way

life's too short

all trades pass, wtf do I care

[Nige]

It won't be one season, because the same argument can be used every year

What?

How many seasons do Swan and Chappy have left?

Reply my PM kthx.  :P :-*

So sick of the grief!!! People having hissy fits because they don't get there way

life's too short

all trades pass, wtf do I care

Better yet, two team comp. Dillos and Dublin. Free reign picking whichever they want every week.  ;)

[Nails]

Winning

[RaisyDaisy]

Just caught up with this, and it seems to be getting a little too intense

Sometimes I feel like we get too absorbed into this when making decisions about trades. Take a step back and breathe.

As far as I am concerned, the main purpose of this competition is for the people involved to have fun, and get a small experience of what it's like to manage a team

Os does a hell of a job running the comp, and as administrator he needs to make some tough calls from time to time but it doesn't mean that every call is always right

Can't we just strip things back a little? I mean, I think it's fair to say that every coach in this competition is more than capable, switched on and passionate about running their teams. Each coach has their own views on where their team is and the direction they want to take, and this is where we need to be a bit more lenient when it's time to review trades

As long as both teams involved in the trade are happy, and there is no obvious tanking then we really need to have faith in the coach of the teams involved and back their ideas on how they want to run their team

The Cap is here to protect teams and hopefully prevent the comp from being lob sided, but in the interim there is always going to be stronger teams and weaker teams. you cant avoid that. It happens in every comp in the world

I admit that I neg'd the Dublin Dildos trade, but not for the reasons Os gave, but that I felt like holz was giving up way too much. I think any trade that involved giving 5 players and 2 top picks for 2 players is always going to be unbalanced.

Like Nails said, most of those players are useless anyway, and Dublin wanted to help too which I admire, but I think a minor tweak is all that trade requires to be fair IMO

Anyway, just my 2c on all the hoo har that seems to be going on in regards to team trades

[Nails]

I have no problem with you Oss personally. If people get sick of the game and quit because Dublin/whoever else too powerful, perhaps they should have enhanced their own team. Dublin will only be great for a few years. Chapman/Swan could retire even next year. Then they're beginning to get screwed with their other players getting older too.

I thought the whole idea of this comp was long term. I feel worrying about what might happen in 1-2 seasons time is too short sighted. I plan to be around for the next 10-15. If Dublin go undefeated in one measly season I couldn't really care less.

It's up to Suns/Pumas to trade to match them. Suns/Pumas could have taken J and Chapman but weren't really interested

Also those talking about Chapman saying he's an 85 average meh player.

What? He averaged 96 this season and average 106.7 in his last 7 games for his new team. Chapman could be the #1 forward next season.

@ RD - I don't find it intense at all. I'm pretty level headed not really angry or pissed off in the slightest. I wasn't going to say anything at all.  But then I noticed people talked about my trade and yours for like 3-4 pages. So I thought I might as well join in.