WXV Trade Talk

[Nige]

You use this one a fair bit and with good reason. Perfect :P

I honestly cannot remember using this once before.

That said, I've kept it handy because it's so good haha.

[Jroo]

So Gibbs is 26 next year and obvioulsy still has room to improve... but Rocky is 25 and has less chance? :o

In 2012 Swan averaged 126, Pendlebury 124, Beams 123, and Sidebottom 106... so talk of Redden, Beams and co taking points off Rocky means little. Pies were a successful side but midfielders still find the footy in lesser sides.

Basically you can't argue that Rocky will definitely drop back in ave and then argue that Gibbs will increase, and vice versa. Both have equal chance to improve/drop off

Yes of course Rocky has less chance of improving.

Rocky has peaked, how can he get much better than an average of 130, lol.

As I had I don't expect him to find as much ball next year, he was they're only decent mid apart from Pearce and Zorko.

They had guys like Bewick, Aish and co. in the mids last year, someone had to find the ball, there's no chance Rocky will be able to find the ball this year with Beams, Redden, Rich, Christo, Robbo all there.

Can you explain the back half of 2013 when he averaged like 129

with Rich Redden Moloney all fit and playing?

Rich will move to backline so he is out, Robbo will play a lot up front and so can Christo.

and now they should start winning games so more points to share around.

I can see 125+ very very possible.

people should give me rocky back if you think he is a 115 mid.

Yes I can, actually.

What about Simon Black?

Rocky averaged 80 when Black was in the side, 112 when he was out.

Rocky usually scores well most games, but he goes crazy when other mids are out.

[Master Q]

You use this one a fair bit and with good reason. Perfect :P

I honestly cannot remember using this once before.

That said, I've kept it handy because it's so good haha.

[Holz]

not from my analysis he doesn't. He scores just as well no matter the composition, it just depends if he plays forward or midfield. He will still play the same role so im not worried.

what do you see him averaging next year Jroo and into the future

[Jroo]

In response to

Chumps

so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.

But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.

Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.

You needed up getting Sloane and Roughy, so what's the big deal.

The other trades that have failed, have been unfair  (such as the Bennell and WHE one).

[Jroo]

not from my analysis he doesn't. He scores just as well no matter the composition, it just depends if he plays forward or midfield. He will still play the same role so im not worried.

what do you see him averaging next year Jroo and into the future

As Ringo said he averaged way more when Redden was out. It does matter.

Around 120, while Gibbs 105-110.

[elephants]

You use this one a fair bit and with good reason. Perfect :P

I honestly cannot remember using this once before.

That said, I've kept it handy because it's so good haha.

Haha you deffo have :p

[Holz]

In response to

Chumps

so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.

But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.

Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.

You needed up getting Sloane and Roughy, so what's the big deal.

The other trades that have failed, have been unfair  (such as the Bennell and WHE one).

more fair than a lot of the trades passing. I have had to lose trades to get them passed.

most of the coaches I spoke to said I lost the Sloane deal(and I did) but I needed it as I was not allowed to trade my picks. IN the Swan Chappy deal that the Dillos wanted.

[Nige]

You use this one a fair bit and with good reason. Perfect :P

I honestly cannot remember using this once before.

That said, I've kept it handy because it's so good haha.

Haha you deffo have :p

Fairly sure I haven't, I generally try not to repeat the gifs I post unless they're absolutely amazing ones and perfect for the moment.

[Jroo]

In response to

Chumps

so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.

But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.

Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.

You needed up getting Sloane and Roughy, so what's the big deal.

The other trades that have failed, have been unfair  (such as the Bennell and WHE one).

that Sloane deal was a loss but a strucutal improvement, I overpaid and my advisers agreed.

Mundy + 12 got me Gibbs and that was rejected.
Hansen could have got me Sandi

so Basically I could have got Rocky for 12 + Mundy + Hansen if I was allowed to freely trade.

Also Dillos preferred my Swan deal but took a lower offer and that happened twice.

Sloane is much better than Boak (doesn't get tagged) and same with Roughy (won't lose fwd status + better scorer), so I don't think you overpaid.

They were at different times, no one wanted picks earlier but as it's getting closer to the draft people wanted them more.

And no, I wouldn't have done Sandi for Hansen.

You were allowed to trade your Mundy trade passed, but it included Black from the other deal which failed, I think.

[MajorLazer]

So far no one has convinced me to change the Cairo vote.

Keep trying. ;)

[elephants]

You use this one a fair bit and with good reason. Perfect :P

I honestly cannot remember using this once before.

That said, I've kept it handy because it's so good haha.

Haha you deffo have :p

Fairly sure I haven't, I generally try not to repeat the gifs I post unless they're absolutely amazing ones and perfect for the moment.

If I could be flowered I'd go back an find it lol

[Nige]

You use this one a fair bit and with good reason. Perfect :P

I honestly cannot remember using this once before.

That said, I've kept it handy because it's so good haha.

Haha you deffo have :p

Fairly sure I haven't, I generally try not to repeat the gifs I post unless they're absolutely amazing ones and perfect for the moment.

If I could be flowered I'd go back an find it lol

Pls do.  :P

[Holz]

In response to

Chumps

so just to be clear, every time Dublin does trades its all fine to just say , nah Dublin cant do any trades that improve their list (which is the aim of trading) even though we all know they are fair as its bad for the comp.

But than Mexico which has been a top 3 team for 3 years in a row is allowed to overtake and take the premiership favourite tag for no reason except they are not Dublin and I should sit back and take that.

Mexico has been up for 3 years, I built my list from the bottom. Why should I be held back while the other super teams are allowed to continually dominate. If you remember I didn't even finish top last year, I think it was Mexico. They have much better depth as I was not allowed to get depth. I also haven't been allowed to freely changed my structure.

You needed up getting Sloane and Roughy, so what's the big deal.

The other trades that have failed, have been unfair  (such as the Bennell and WHE one).

that Sloane deal was a loss but a strucutal improvement, I overpaid and my advisers agreed.

Mundy + 12 got me Gibbs and that was rejected.
Hansen could have got me Sandi

so Basically I could have got Rocky for 12 + Mundy + Hansen if I was allowed to freely trade.

Also Dillos preferred my Swan deal but took a lower offer and that happened twice.

Sloane is much better than Boak (doesn't get tagged) and same with Roughy (won't lose fwd status + better scorer), so I don't think you overpaid.

They were at different times, no one wanted picks earlier but as it's getting closer to the draft people wanted them more.

And no, I wouldn't have done Sandi for Hansen.

You were allowed to trade your Mundy trade passed, but it included Black from the other deal which failed, I think.

you offered me Sandi for Hansen I rejected it, I have the PM

they wanted picks, I was told I couldn't trade picks for depth.

[AaronKirk]

It's good to have meow back.

Issue 5 This is Bad for the comp

Multiple Dublin Trades have got rejected for being not great for the comp and if thats the case than this is not just a bad trade but its bad for the comp.

Jroo did this analysis without this trade going through

Dublin: 1635
Mexico: 1607

As stated he has much much better depth than me so only 3 points difference in the starting squad with superior depth you could say he has a better squad next year

I have already stated how huge a win this is for Jroo, given Jroo's analysis i would say he is just as strong if not stronger than dublin already. This trade makes him easily the strongest team next year. If Dublin has trades getting rejected for getting too strong should a team getting stronger than Dublin also be rejected.

So here's the real issue for you Holz; you're concerned that Mexico might actually challenge Dublin if this trade gets through. If anything, this is good for the comp as it's no longer just a one horse race. Your 'logic' is saturated in bias.

I rate Boak above Gibbs as proven 105+ scorer. But lets say even (even though they are not)

For the millionth time man, Gibbs only has one year of 105 because this is his first year in the midfield full time. Those years of 95 were in defence which was elite there. Boak has been playing there most of his career.

How can you rate one above the other? That's complete opinion.

I agree the system is flawed but in saying that. This trade isn't dead even but hardly bad enough to neg.

So how did this one pass and our trade fail (we passed all trades bar the fake one for the record)?

If Meow can assume that Rocky will score less with the new mids coming to Brisbane (which I agree with) why can't we assume that Libba will drop now that Griffen has left and will very likely cop a tag every week which he has never had to deal with.

How do we know that Bennell will get DPP next season? We cannot. We need to work on the assumption he will not and see what is best to improve our list- which IMO we did.

Its not a risky trade one way or the other- I won't mind if we cannot get a workable deal because we get to keep Libba and Bennell but Boak and Gunston are better structually,

anyway.

You keep saying, 'it's for the long term' with Gunston guaranteed to be a full time forward, but if you're actually planning for the long term, then why are you trading one of the most promising fantasy youngsters for consequently an older mid?

Libba's averaged four more points than Boak when comparing their career best seasons and he's four years younger.

Harley's averaged 7 points more than Gunston when comparing their career best seasons and is a year younger.

I understand that 'long term' structure is important but if this trade period's any indication, there are a huge amount of changes made each year, and to make a trade solely because in two/three years time Gunston will still be a forward without considering the points lost and potential squandered by trading Libba seems pretty conterintuitive to me.

I will stop trying to explain why it helps our team.

Basically the trade is being blocked because Dublin are involved.

Do you not think Boak will improve at the prime of his career to a 110+ mid?

Do you not think that Libba will fall next year or two when he cops the tag every week now Griffen has left.

Do you trust that Bennell with his injury history?

It was not a controversial trade at all, but anyway... we may have come up with a deal New York and Dublin are happy to do. But I don't see the point of it because no one some people don't seem to have logic and common sense and I think it would be blocked.