WXV Trade Talk

[AaronKirk]

I will.

Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59

Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy

Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.

Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you.  Just throw up an offer.  ;D

It is opinion based.

I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous

We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.

Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.

Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative

So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.

I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)

It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::)  A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..

Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.

He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence  Johnson is on decline...
  Heath Scotland scored well two years ago,  how much his he worth now?

Heath Scotland has never been in the class of Johnson though.

Again the same word I will use, it is all relative, everyone has their own opinions.

[Ricochet]

I will.

Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59

Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy

Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.

Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you.  Just throw up an offer.  ;D

It is opinion based.

I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous

We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.

Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.

Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative

So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.

I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)

It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::)  A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..

Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.

He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence  Johnson is on decline...
  Heath Scotland scored well two years ago,  how much his he worth now?

At the similar age, Boomer went from 101 to 95. Then bounced back to 104 and 108 in the next two years. Quality bounces back

[upthemaidens]

I will.

Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59

Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy

Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.

Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you.  Just throw up an offer.  ;D

It is opinion based.

I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous

We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.

Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.

Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative

So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.

I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)

It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::)  A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..

Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.

He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence  Johnson is on decline...
  Heath Scotland scored well two years ago,  how much his he worth now?

Heath Scotland has never been in the class of Johnson though.

Again the same word I will use, it is all relative, everyone has their own opinions.

It doesn't matter on the class of the player. It matters on their age, Johnson's an injury plagued player his whole career will struggle to get through the next 2 season.
You might (if ya lucky) get 35 games out of him.  The guy who sold you him is laughing all the way to the bank, with his pick#8. (and the next 12 years of a high draft pick)
   And that is the brutal truth.  Simple fact is, unless you are shooting for a flag next year, Johnson is completely worthless.

[Holz]

Heath Scotland has never been in the class of Johnson though.

Again the same word I will use, it is all relative, everyone has their own opinions.

got to defend one of my boys here. He has averaged 110 in the past and just a few years ago he averaged 106 as a backman which put him up the top of the backman and definitely a super premo.

not commenting on the trade at all but Scotland is no scrub.

[upthemaidens]

I will.

Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59

Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy

Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.

Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you.  Just throw up an offer.  ;D

It is opinion based.

I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous

We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.

Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.

Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative

So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.

I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)

It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::)  A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..

Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.

He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence  Johnson is on decline...
  Heath Scotland scored well two years ago,  how much his he worth now?

At the similar age, Boomer went from 101 to 95. Then bounced back to 104 and 108 in the next two years. Quality bounces back

Hey Rico, name me two other times it's happened to a player over 34?  ::)  Boomer never had on going injuries either.

[AaronKirk]

I will.

Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59

Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy

Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.

Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you.  Just throw up an offer.  ;D

It is opinion based.

I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous

We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.

Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.

Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative

So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.

I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)

It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::)  A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..

Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.

He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence  Johnson is on decline...
  Heath Scotland scored well two years ago,  how much his he worth now?

Heath Scotland has never been in the class of Johnson though.

Again the same word I will use, it is all relative, everyone has their own opinions.

It doesn't matter on the class of the player. It matters on their age, Johnson's an injury plagued player his whole career will struggle to get through the next 2 season.
You might (if ya lucky) get 35 games out of him.  The guy who sold you him is laughing all the way to the bank, with his pick#8. (and the next 12 years of a high draft pick)
   And that is the brutal truth.  Simple fact is, unless you are shooting for a flag next year, Johnson is completely worthless.

Everyone should be trying to finish as high as possible. Of course we are trying to push for a flag in year 1 as co-coaches, even as unrealistic as it is to think anyone will beat Dublin   :o

[upthemaidens]

In two years I wonder what #8 will be worth, because Johnson will be retired(so we know his worth will be zero)

[AaronKirk]

In two years I wonder what #8 will be worth, because Johnson will be retired(so we know his worth will be zero)

We also have a lot of young players in our team, so it was worth the risk to bring in some proven premium experience.

Had my co-coach allowed me to we could have traded Bennell for a top 5 pick to land one of the gun forwards in this years draft, but RD knocked me back  ::)

[Ricochet]

I will.

Trade 63
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59

Pick 9 is surely worth a lot more than second string ruck and an unproven player in McCarthy

Heck, Guthrie is worth more than Longer and McCarthy.

Oh yeah and by the way if he's worth that much, I'm sure we will be able to sell Guthrie to you.  Just throw up an offer.  ;D

It is opinion based.

I don't see how Guthrie fits in our team structure, and the fact you rate McCarthy similar to current premos is ridiculous

We gave up pick 8 and a solid young player for Stevie J, we got pick 10 for McKenzie which we used with a slightly better ruck than Longer (Tom Nicholls) to get Mitch Duncan.

Basically says a proven youngster (Duncan) is worth the same as a one-game unproven youngster (McCarthy) which I completely disagree with.

Based on your theory than Joe Daniher should be worth 2 top 5 picks,he will be an A grader but but he hasn't shown the full potential yet, therefore he was traded by London to Moscow for less. It is all relative

So back to relative trades and opinions this trade was passed, ok, then how was our trade with Dublin with Bennell for Walters and a pick blocked? Still puzzles me but anyway proceed.

I think I will just pass every trade from now on instead of vigilant and thoughtful (if thats how everyone think WXV will be better)

It shows you paid way too much for Johnson, that's all that says.. ::)  A 17 game a year player, with what? 1-2 injury plagued years left..

Averaged 107 this year, 116 the year before- completely disagree.

He's 31yo, he avg 107 in the 17 games he played(75% of the season) 116avg the year before. So on your own evidence  Johnson is on decline...
  Heath Scotland scored well two years ago,  how much his he worth now?

At the similar age, Boomer went from 101 to 95. Then bounced back to 104 and 108 in the next two years. Quality bounces back

Hey Rico, name me two other times it's happened to a player over 34?  ::)  Boomer never had on going injuries either.

34?? we're talking about a 31yr old mate. Who would have thought Sandi would play 21 games this year?? and SJ missed most of his games in previous years due to suspension not injury. Point is he is a gun scorer with a couple of years left, perfect for someone pushing for a flag, anything can happen

[upthemaidens]

In two years I wonder what #8 will be worth, because Johnson will be retired(so we know his worth will be zero)

We also have a lot of young players in our team, so it was worth the risk to bring in some proven premium experience.

Had my co-coach allowed me to we could have traded Bennell for a top 5 pick to land one of the gun forwards in this years draft, but RD knocked me back  ::)

Look I'm not having a go, just pointing out that you paid too much for Stevie.
   You didn't like the Guthrie/Longer trade and used the example of paying #8+Player for Johnson, as setting a precedents for the value of Picks.
  It is not evidence that can be used to show anything, other than you overvalue Johnson.

...Bennell for Pick#5 ?  We have Pick#9, please let's talk friend.  :)

 

[Hellopplz]

We traded Jaensch for #5 :P. But we value high picks as if chosen well are very nice to have!

And I still remember we traded Stevie J for Westhoff + depth... Probably was even due to Stevie J's injuries but man can he go big when fit :(.

[Holz]

Just a reminer

I traded longer for pick 5 two years ago, probably the most relevant precedence.

[AaronKirk]

In two years I wonder what #8 will be worth, because Johnson will be retired(so we know his worth will be zero)

We also have a lot of young players in our team, so it was worth the risk to bring in some proven premium experience.

Had my co-coach allowed me to we could have traded Bennell for a top 5 pick to land one of the gun forwards in this years draft, but RD knocked me back  ::)

Look I'm not having a go, just pointing out that you paid too much for Stevie.
   You didn't like the Guthrie/Longer trade and used the example of paying #8+Player for Johnson, as setting a precedents for the value of Picks.
  It is not evidence that can be used to show anything, other than you overvalue Johnson.

...Bennell for Pick#5 ?  We have Pick#9, please let's talk friend.  :)

it was bennell for pick.in top 5 and a good scoring player but RD said no

[upthemaidens]

Just a reminer

I traded longer for pick 5 two years ago, probably the most relevant precedence.

So you are saying we didn't get enough for him?
McCartney Pick#15 last year, Longer #5 two years ago.  Both under 22yo.  I wonder where Guthrie got taken in the draft?
  The more I think about it, the more I think we didn't get enough in return.    Redo,  block the trade      :)

[elephants]

McCartney Pick#15 last year

Pfft, no. Brendan McCartney is far too old to be drafted. What a ridiculous comment.