jpk vs priddis

Started by ando_10, July 28, 2014, 09:25:27 AM

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Holz

Not sure if you want to take advice from me given I was in the same position and lost it last year. But always pick the best player who cares who they have. JPK is the better player.

quinny88

Quote from: Holzman on July 28, 2014, 07:01:41 PM
Not sure if you want to take advice from me given I was in the same position and lost it last year. But always pick the best player who cares who they have. JPK is the better player.

Maybe that's why you lost :P you can't win with the same players

_wato

#17
Base your decision on form and Priddis  is certainly playing some inspired football at the moment with no Selwood and an underpar performance from Masten/Shuey etc who will also get tagged before him. Kennedy as much as we all know plays in a very good team and it doesn't take much for him to drop his numbers in a team that he's playing in and with.. Jack, Parker, Mcglynn, Mcveigh, Malceski, Franklin etc. however his numbers resemble his year of 2012 which was amazing.

JPK average (3 game) against last few opponents - Ess 121, PA 107, StK 134, WB 97, Rich 100

Priddis average (3 game) against last few opponents - Adel 123, Coll 133, Ess 108, Melb 106, GC 121

Take what you want from that, but Priddis (7/10 above 120 over last 10 games) is also showing better numbers than Kennedy (5/10 above 120 over last 10 games).

Didn't really wanna make it about stats, but that's my view. Probably safer pick is JPK but an inspired and consistent pick would be Priddis.. In that way you could hope Jelwood or JPK in both team #1 and #2 go down with injuries giving you a saving chance.

Only 5 games left mate, 60ppg is very achievable. Best of luck!

Footyrulz

You should make the decision yourself considering your amazing ranking!

Personally I would stay away from Priddis. He could easily only average 100-110 from now.

JPK however has been averaging 120 all season and that should continue.

enzedder

Great thread with lots of well debated points.
JPK I reckon because I think he'll out score Priddis over the remaining games.
It's all about points so get the player you think will get it done, not hope will get it done. I'd be hoping with Priddis and be comfortable in selecting JPK.

GCSkiwi

Quote from: quinny88 on July 28, 2014, 07:10:43 PM
Quote from: Holzman on July 28, 2014, 07:01:41 PM
Not sure if you want to take advice from me given I was in the same position and lost it last year. But always pick the best player who cares who they have. JPK is the better player.

Maybe that's why you lost :P you can't win with the same players

Yeah but we're talking one player in the midst of a team, I'm saying the smarter option is to neutralise JPK when one of the opponents has him... I don't see anyone saying with any level of faith that Priddis will outscore JPK so how is it possibly a good fight to pit them against each other? No he won't gain anything going JPK vs JPK, but he's got 21 other players to haul that in... when it seems like most people agree that Priddis vs JPK is probably a loss, why risk it?

Of course you have to look at the teams as a whole so here's the top 3 midfields:

C-money (#1)
Rocky, Fyfe, Pendles, Jelwood, Libba, SJ, Beams, Goddard (Miles, Honeychurch)

Torrential Raines (#2)
JPK, Fyfe, Pendles, Jelwood, Libba, SJ, Beams, Cotchin (Langdon, Acres)

Oh Kill em (#3, our very own ando)
Rocky, Fyfe, Pendles, Ward, Sloane, SJ, Beams, Prestia (Shenton, Morabito)

So:

Everyone has Fyfe, Pendles, Beams, SJ.

1 and 2 have Libba and Jelwood, Ando has Ward and Sloane

ando and #1 have Rocky, #2 has JPK

Goddard v Cotch v Prestia is the current wildcard.

Ward and Sloane are great PODs to try and make up the ground. Prestia is a weak link, so the plan of putting Prestia on the bench and bringing in JPK cancels out the only top end POD above him, gains him a real bench option for a big score if Prestia goes large, and basically gives him JPK vs Goddard against #1

Given those teams, how is JPK possibly a bad idea, or rather how is Priddis a better idea?!

PODs Ward and Sloane. Don't overcomplicate it trying to get more, it's more potential ways to fall back as much as it is potential ways to gain ground...

GCSkiwi

Put simply, the set factor in both is Ward and Sloane vs Jelwood and Libba. I like Ward and Sloane there.

The remaining option is JPK vs Goddard and Rocky vs Cotchin (if JPK comes in), or Priddis vs Goddard and Rocky/Priddis vs JPK/Cotchin. Pretty safe either way really, but where would you rather put a $50,000 bet??

ScottieD

Put it this way, #2 would be over the moon if you selected Priddis and left him with JPK as a unique in top 3 teams

quinny88

Quote from: GCSkiwi on July 28, 2014, 09:01:54 PM
Put simply, the set factor in both is Ward and Sloane vs Jelwood and Libba. I like Ward and Sloane there.

The remaining option is JPK vs Goddard and Rocky vs Cotchin (if JPK comes in), or Priddis vs Goddard and Rocky/Priddis vs JPK/Cotchin. Pretty safe either way really, but where would you rather put a $50,000 bet??

Not sure how u like Ward/Sloane over Selwood/Libba?
Selwood 118 Libba 112 vs ward 115 Sloane 110

I just think Priddis is in some rare form and is the type of unique that could win it.
Ultimately his call though

SydneyRox

I have had Priddis all season and been pretty damn happy.

I can see the argument for uniques, but that is where you need to take a team approach rather than isolating certain players or positions.

The choice right now should still be pick who will score more. So that should be JPK.

GCSkiwi

Quote from: quinny88 on July 29, 2014, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: GCSkiwi on July 28, 2014, 09:01:54 PM
Put simply, the set factor in both is Ward and Sloane vs Jelwood and Libba. I like Ward and Sloane there.

The remaining option is JPK vs Goddard and Rocky vs Cotchin (if JPK comes in), or Priddis vs Goddard and Rocky/Priddis vs JPK/Cotchin. Pretty safe either way really, but where would you rather put a $50,000 bet??

Not sure how u like Ward/Sloane over Selwood/Libba?
Selwood 118 Libba 112 vs ward 115 Sloane 110

I just think Priddis is in some rare form and is the type of unique that could win it.
Ultimately his call though

If we're just comparing averages then Priddis 113 JPK 119 :P

As for Ward/Sloane, if we're rounding appropriately then it's Jelwood 118, Libba 112 vs Ward 116, Sloane 111, but if you look at recent form, 5 rd average is Jelwood 123, Libba 97 vs Ward 116, Sloane 106. Ward and Sloane win both scenarios there. So yeah if you're going to pick a POD battle to make ground I think Ward and Sloane are already there and are already good POD picks, there is no need to add a third complication in there at the risk of excluding the current #4 top mid.

Ward and Sloane could win it just as much as Priddis could, why further the risk given that Priddis could lose it? No one is actually answering that, just a constant clamour of "POD, POD, POD" - he's got two already, what's the sense in adding a third to go against a top 4 player?

quinny88

Quote from: GCSkiwi on July 29, 2014, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on July 29, 2014, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: GCSkiwi on July 28, 2014, 09:01:54 PM
Put simply, the set factor in both is Ward and Sloane vs Jelwood and Libba. I like Ward and Sloane there.

The remaining option is JPK vs Goddard and Rocky vs Cotchin (if JPK comes in), or Priddis vs Goddard and Rocky/Priddis vs JPK/Cotchin. Pretty safe either way really, but where would you rather put a $50,000 bet??

Not sure how u like Ward/Sloane over Selwood/Libba?
Selwood 118 Libba 112 vs ward 115 Sloane 110

I just think Priddis is in some rare form and is the type of unique that could win it.
Ultimately his call though

If we're just comparing averages then Priddis 113 JPK 119 :P

As for Ward/Sloane, if we're rounding appropriately then it's Jelwood 118, Libba 112 vs Ward 116, Sloane 111, but if you look at recent form, 5 rd average is Jelwood 123, Libba 97 vs Ward 116, Sloane 106. Ward and Sloane win both scenarios there. So yeah if you're going to pick a POD battle to make ground I think Ward and Sloane are already there and are already good POD picks, there is no need to add a third complication in there at the risk of excluding the current #4 top mid.

Ward and Sloane could win it just as much as Priddis could, why further the risk given that Priddis could lose it? No one is actually answering that, just a constant clamour of "POD, POD, POD" - he's got two already, what's the sense in adding a third to go against a top 4 player?

How do ward and sloane win both scenarios?  :o

I understand what you're saying about him not needing another unique but considering he is 300 points back I would try something out of the box that neither of the top 2 have. Could shoot him up to first place or slide down to 10th but ya gotta risk into get the biscuit :P

GCSkiwi

Quote from: quinny88 on July 29, 2014, 02:04:00 PM
How do ward and sloane win both scenarios?  :o

Because my mental arithmetic was bad, that's why :P

ok season average it's 230 Jelwood and Libba vs 227 Ward and Sloane
but 5 round is 220 Jelwood and Libba vs 222 Ward and Sloane. Close either way but those players are already in place so that's beside the point, all I was getting at was if you had to pick POD mid options then pitting Ward and Sloane against Libba and Jelwood, which is fixed and occurs against both the teams above him, is not a bad call. But that's moot, it's already there, it aint changing.

Quote from: quinny88 on July 29, 2014, 02:04:00 PM
I understand what you're saying about him not needing another unique but considering he is 300 points back I would try something out of the box that neither of the top 2 have. Could shoot him up to first place or slide down to 10th but ya gotta risk into get the biscuit :P

Yeah I get that, but 300 points is against no 1 who doesn't have JPK, no 2 who does is only 50pts. So he needs >10ppg against no.2 and >60ppg against no.1. Back Ward and Sloane to help reel in no 2, and back JPK vs Goddard to help reel in no 1. Throw in a blinder from Prestia somewhere, hey presto. The "risk it to get the biscuit" is already in place with Ward and Sloane vs Jelwood and Libba.

I just feel like Priddis is the equivalent of a sprint, I can't see him keeping this form up for the next 5 rounds, so yeah maybe picking him will look good for the next couple of rounds, but over the next 5 rounds I whole-heartedly believe JPK will outscore Priddis, which would put ando in a worse position against no. 2.

To reiterate what I said before, if he picks JPK now then ignoring the fixed ward/sloane/libba/jelwood situation, against no.1 he has JPK to beat Goddard, and against no.2 he has Rocky to beat Cotchin. I'd back those every single day of the week. Do you really think Priddis vs Goddard will better help reel in no. 1, and Priddis vs JPK will better help reel in no. 2? If you think so then I think we just fundamentally disagree on that issue. You're in no way wrong I just think 5 rounds is still a fair amount of time and can't seriously believe Priddis will out do JPK in that time, given their history, current form and upcoming opposition.

quinny88

You should write a book on this kiwi :P You make a lot more sense than I.
My season defining decisions are generally decided with the phrase "flower it" lol
Maybe that's why I'm ranked 619th and not 3rd

Still like Priddis here though and I'm claiming half the 50k if Ando picks him and wins  8)

GCSkiwi

Quote from: quinny88 on July 29, 2014, 03:51:56 PM
You should write a book on this kiwi :P You make a lot more sense than I.
My season defining decisions are generally decided with the phrase "flower it" lol
Maybe that's why I'm ranked 619th and not 3rd

Still like Priddis here though and I'm claiming half the 50k if Ando picks him and wins  8)

Haha thanks quinny - let's just compile our comments together and co-author it?

Though if we start talking rankings then my advice becomes totally invalid  :-X Well, I am in the top 6... thousand
I definitely have a conservative approach and my season defining decisions are often based on "but his BE is so high, I can get him cheaper next week" which often bites me. I actually think it would be close either way and the $50,000 is unlikely to be determined by JPK vs Priddis, still 21 others to win/lose it too. But ultimately you're after the one who will score the most over the next 5 rounds, for me that's JPK. If FF coins come back then you can have every single FF coin I have if Priddis gets more than JPK from here on  ;)