Sir Tom "GOAT" Rockliff

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Mat0369

Quote from: Bully on February 09, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
4 tons in 18 games is shizen, then taking into account his 1 ton in the last 12 games of 2017 you are operating at a pathetic 17%. Then factor in his injury record & it's obvious burn man material. Think Hanners is in a similar boat but is at least cheap enough to make you a quick 100k.

The last 12 of games of 2017, when he dislocated his shoulder real late in the last quarter against the Hawks and struggled to play with it since that point the rest of the season. Prior to that he was averaging 123 with a high of 176 and low of 53.

Looking at a Port team that doesn't bat that deep in the middle. Wingard and Polec are gone, Wines is injured, Boak feels like he is cooked, you have Robbie and Sam Gray, Ebert and SPP. They are pretty one paced which is also going to hurt them. It feels like there is a lot of available time in the guts.

I'm looking at Rocky as this years potential Murphy/Conigs. There is always one guy in that 400k bracket that has a good scoring history and bounces back to be a premium. Assuming that he will get hurt at one point during the year, is it worth using him as a stepping stone at 400k? That 120 average over the first 8 games would see him priced at what?

igotworms

Thanks for your service over the years Rocky, you "were" one of my favourites!
Unfortunately you have been relocated from the "GOAT" bin to the "NEVER AGAIN" bin.
Ports midfield struggled last year, particularly towards the tail end of the season. Losing Wingard and Polec (and Wines to injury) is going to really hurt them. A lot is going to fall on to the shoulders of Rocky, Boak, Ebert and SPP, but I think of the lot, Gray is still there best midfielder and hopefully played accordingly. He attended the third most centre bounces last year with the team winning a clearance 49% of the time. I just can't see Rocky reversing the trend of the past two years and regaining his former stature as a contested, ball winning machine. Those shoulders have well and truly buckled under the weight over the previous years. Just my two cents worth, but I see more upside in Miles than Rocky.

RaisyDaisy

Biggest burn man in the game

He could start the year with tons in every match and I couldn't care less. I'll never pick him again

elephants

Quote from: Mat0369 on February 10, 2019, 12:30:06 AM
Quote from: Bully on February 09, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
4 tons in 18 games is shizen, then taking into account his 1 ton in the last 12 games of 2017 you are operating at a pathetic 17%. Then factor in his injury record & it's obvious burn man material. Think Hanners is in a similar boat but is at least cheap enough to make you a quick 100k.

The last 12 of games of 2017, when he dislocated his shoulder real late in the last quarter against the Hawks and struggled to play with it since that point the rest of the season. Prior to that he was averaging 123 with a high of 176 and low of 53.

Looking at a Port team that doesn't bat that deep in the middle. Wingard and Polec are gone, Wines is injured, Boak feels like he is cooked, you have Robbie and Sam Gray, Ebert and SPP. They are pretty one paced which is also going to hurt them. It feels like there is a lot of available time in the guts.

I'm looking at Rocky as this years potential Murphy/Conigs. There is always one guy in that 400k bracket that has a good scoring history and bounces back to be a premium. Assuming that he will get hurt at one point during the year, is it worth using him as a stepping stone at 400k? That 120 average over the first 8 games would see him priced at what?

I actually dont hate this. Ports midfield actually looks thin as, and slow as, a problem neither Rocky or R.Gray fix imo, but if ever theres a chance for Rocky to go in and average ~105 it's now. The midfield should be his to run for the first 1-2 months of the season, even if they do put Gray on ball.

shaker

Quote from: elephants on February 10, 2019, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 10, 2019, 12:30:06 AM
Quote from: Bully on February 09, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
4 tons in 18 games is shizen, then taking into account his 1 ton in the last 12 games of 2017 you are operating at a pathetic 17%. Then factor in his injury record & it's obvious burn man material. Think Hanners is in a similar boat but is at least cheap enough to make you a quick 100k.

The last 12 of games of 2017, when he dislocated his shoulder real late in the last quarter against the Hawks and struggled to play with it since that point the rest of the season. Prior to that he was averaging 123 with a high of 176 and low of 53.

Looking at a Port team that doesn't bat that deep in the middle. Wingard and Polec are gone, Wines is injured, Boak feels like he is cooked, you have Robbie and Sam Gray, Ebert and SPP. They are pretty one paced which is also going to hurt them. It feels like there is a lot of available time in the guts.

I'm looking at Rocky as this years potential Murphy/Conigs. There is always one guy in that 400k bracket that has a good scoring history and bounces back to be a premium. Assuming that he will get hurt at one point during the year, is it worth using him as a stepping stone at 400k? That 120 average over the first 8 games would see him priced at what?

I actually dont hate this. Ports midfield actually looks thin as, and slow as, a problem neither Rocky or R.Gray fix imo, but if ever theres a chance for Rocky to go in and average ~105 it's now. The midfield should be his to run for the first 1-2 months of the season, even if they do put Gray on ball.
Lets see how he looks JLT if he plays if he does not then would find it hard to pick him , Miles a safer option at this stage

elephants

Quote from: shaker on February 10, 2019, 10:18:30 AM
Quote from: elephants on February 10, 2019, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 10, 2019, 12:30:06 AM
Quote from: Bully on February 09, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
4 tons in 18 games is shizen, then taking into account his 1 ton in the last 12 games of 2017 you are operating at a pathetic 17%. Then factor in his injury record & it's obvious burn man material. Think Hanners is in a similar boat but is at least cheap enough to make you a quick 100k.

The last 12 of games of 2017, when he dislocated his shoulder real late in the last quarter against the Hawks and struggled to play with it since that point the rest of the season. Prior to that he was averaging 123 with a high of 176 and low of 53.

Looking at a Port team that doesn't bat that deep in the middle. Wingard and Polec are gone, Wines is injured, Boak feels like he is cooked, you have Robbie and Sam Gray, Ebert and SPP. They are pretty one paced which is also going to hurt them. It feels like there is a lot of available time in the guts.

I'm looking at Rocky as this years potential Murphy/Conigs. There is always one guy in that 400k bracket that has a good scoring history and bounces back to be a premium. Assuming that he will get hurt at one point during the year, is it worth using him as a stepping stone at 400k? That 120 average over the first 8 games would see him priced at what?

I actually dont hate this. Ports midfield actually looks thin as, and slow as, a problem neither Rocky or R.Gray fix imo, but if ever theres a chance for Rocky to go in and average ~105 it's now. The midfield should be his to run for the first 1-2 months of the season, even if they do put Gray on ball.
Lets see how he looks JLT if he plays if he does not then would find it hard to pick him , Miles a safer option at this stage

Big article about Motlop moving on ball after a flawless preseason. I buy that big time, such a slow one paced midfield, get some flair on ball!

Gandalf123

Quote from: SilverLion on February 09, 2019, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Gandalf123 on February 09, 2019, 09:55:47 PM
What’s the definition of insanity?
I believe its doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result.
Think the definition has a picture of Rocky’s head next to it also

shaker

Quote from: elephants on February 10, 2019, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: shaker on February 10, 2019, 10:18:30 AM
Quote from: elephants on February 10, 2019, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 10, 2019, 12:30:06 AM
Quote from: Bully on February 09, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
4 tons in 18 games is shizen, then taking into account his 1 ton in the last 12 games of 2017 you are operating at a pathetic 17%. Then factor in his injury record & it's obvious burn man material. Think Hanners is in a similar boat but is at least cheap enough to make you a quick 100k.

The last 12 of games of 2017, when he dislocated his shoulder real late in the last quarter against the Hawks and struggled to play with it since that point the rest of the season. Prior to that he was averaging 123 with a high of 176 and low of 53.

Looking at a Port team that doesn't bat that deep in the middle. Wingard and Polec are gone, Wines is injured, Boak feels like he is cooked, you have Robbie and Sam Gray, Ebert and SPP. They are pretty one paced which is also going to hurt them. It feels like there is a lot of available time in the guts.

I'm looking at Rocky as this years potential Murphy/Conigs. There is always one guy in that 400k bracket that has a good scoring history and bounces back to be a premium. Assuming that he will get hurt at one point during the year, is it worth using him as a stepping stone at 400k? That 120 average over the first 8 games would see him priced at what?

I actually dont hate this. Ports midfield actually looks thin as, and slow as, a problem neither Rocky or R.Gray fix imo, but if ever theres a chance for Rocky to go in and average ~105 it's now. The midfield should be his to run for the first 1-2 months of the season, even if they do put Gray on ball.
Lets see how he looks JLT if he plays if he does not then would find it hard to pick him , Miles a safer option at this stage

Big article about Motlop moving on ball after a flawless preseason. I buy that big time, such a slow one paced midfield, get some flair on ball!
Does moving a player who has been highly inconsistent all his career to the mids make him consistent ? me thinks not  ;)

elephants

Quote from: shaker on February 10, 2019, 12:41:56 PM
Quote from: elephants on February 10, 2019, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: shaker on February 10, 2019, 10:18:30 AM
Quote from: elephants on February 10, 2019, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 10, 2019, 12:30:06 AM
Quote from: Bully on February 09, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
4 tons in 18 games is shizen, then taking into account his 1 ton in the last 12 games of 2017 you are operating at a pathetic 17%. Then factor in his injury record & it's obvious burn man material. Think Hanners is in a similar boat but is at least cheap enough to make you a quick 100k.

The last 12 of games of 2017, when he dislocated his shoulder real late in the last quarter against the Hawks and struggled to play with it since that point the rest of the season. Prior to that he was averaging 123 with a high of 176 and low of 53.

Looking at a Port team that doesn't bat that deep in the middle. Wingard and Polec are gone, Wines is injured, Boak feels like he is cooked, you have Robbie and Sam Gray, Ebert and SPP. They are pretty one paced which is also going to hurt them. It feels like there is a lot of available time in the guts.

I'm looking at Rocky as this years potential Murphy/Conigs. There is always one guy in that 400k bracket that has a good scoring history and bounces back to be a premium. Assuming that he will get hurt at one point during the year, is it worth using him as a stepping stone at 400k? That 120 average over the first 8 games would see him priced at what?

I actually dont hate this. Ports midfield actually looks thin as, and slow as, a problem neither Rocky or R.Gray fix imo, but if ever theres a chance for Rocky to go in and average ~105 it's now. The midfield should be his to run for the first 1-2 months of the season, even if they do put Gray on ball.
Lets see how he looks JLT if he plays if he does not then would find it hard to pick him , Miles a safer option at this stage

Big article about Motlop moving on ball after a flawless preseason. I buy that big time, such a slow one paced midfield, get some flair on ball!
Does moving a player who has been highly inconsistent all his career to the mids make him consistent ? me thinks not  ;)

I don't remember saying he was or ever will be consistent..? I said he is moving into the midfield as a necessity (Port have a very one dimensional, one-paced midfield) and coming off a perfect preseason (which he hasn't had for a number of years).

At only 27 years of age (still in his prime) he's banked years of 82, 90 and 83 at Geelong and I can see him playing that Wingard split role between midfield and forward this season. Worth a sneaky late draft flyer as a bench forward, guaranteed he won't be picked up with that stinky 67 avg hanging over his head! Definitely up to 15 points improvement in him imo




As for Rocky, Wines missing early is his only chance to cement a role. If you're thinking about it you have to start with him 8)

Bully

Quote from: Mat0369 on February 10, 2019, 12:30:06 AM
Quote from: Bully on February 09, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
4 tons in 18 games is shizen, then taking into account his 1 ton in the last 12 games of 2017 you are operating at a pathetic 17%. Then factor in his injury record & it's obvious burn man material. Think Hanners is in a similar boat but is at least cheap enough to make you a quick 100k.

The last 12 of games of 2017, when he dislocated his shoulder real late in the last quarter against the Hawks and struggled to play with it since that point the rest of the season. Prior to that he was averaging 123 with a high of 176 and low of 53.

Looking at a Port team that doesn't bat that deep in the middle. Wingard and Polec are gone, Wines is injured, Boak feels like he is cooked, you have Robbie and Sam Gray, Ebert and SPP. They are pretty one paced which is also going to hurt them. It feels like there is a lot of available time in the guts.

I'm looking at Rocky as this years potential Murphy/Conigs. There is always one guy in that 400k bracket that has a good scoring history and bounces back to be a premium. Assuming that he will get hurt at one point during the year, is it worth using him as a stepping stone at 400k? That 120 average over the first 8 games would see him priced at what?

Think you are looking for reasons to pick him & ignoring the reasons as to why he's totally unsuitable. There's a 30 game sample sitting right there & it tells a tale, not in the slightest bit convinced Rocky is this year's renaissance man. Think you would have better luck with Hanners or Miles, wouldn't be picking Libba based on the fact he's coming off two recos.

kilbluff1985

i think its hilarious u kids talking shower about Rocky. u wouldnt say this shower to him at practice, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest women. yall are pathetic lol.

Big Mac


Mat0369

Quote from: Bully on February 10, 2019, 03:10:32 PM
Think you are looking for reasons to pick him & ignoring the reasons as to why he's totally unsuitable. There's a 30 game sample sitting right there & it tells a tale, not in the slightest bit convinced Rocky is this year's renaissance man. Think you would have better luck with Hanners or Miles, wouldn't be picking Libba based on the fact he's coming off two recos.

There are two reasons to not pick him. He will inevitably get injured and when Wines comes back how does the midfield rotation work.

The thing is I'm not looking at him as a keeper. I'm looking at him as guy that has a rock solid scoring history when healthy and the ability to go huge.

For everyone that is picking Dusty, he averaged 98 in his last 14 games and is priced at 103.8, yet people are picking him because he was carrying an injury for the second half of the season.

Marc Murphy averaged a whopping 79 in 2016 and bounced back the year after to average 108.

So again, the question is how much cash would Rocky make if he was to average 100, 110 and 120 over the first 8 at his current price?

Bully

Quote from: Mat0369 on February 13, 2019, 12:58:24 AM
Quote from: Bully on February 10, 2019, 03:10:32 PM
Think you are looking for reasons to pick him & ignoring the reasons as to why he's totally unsuitable. There's a 30 game sample sitting right there & it tells a tale, not in the slightest bit convinced Rocky is this year's renaissance man. Think you would have better luck with Hanners or Miles, wouldn't be picking Libba based on the fact he's coming off two recos.

There are two reasons to not pick him. He will inevitably get injured and when Wines comes back how does the midfield rotation work.

The thing is I'm not looking at him as a keeper. I'm looking at him as guy that has a rock solid scoring history when healthy and the ability to go huge.

For everyone that is picking Dusty, he averaged 98 in his last 14 games and is priced at 103.8, yet people are picking him because he was carrying an injury for the second half of the season.

Marc Murphy averaged a whopping 79 in 2016 and bounced back the year after to average 108.

So again, the question is how much cash would Rocky make if he was to average 100, 110 and 120 over the first 8 at his current price?

Rocky won't score anything close to that, no way, would bet my house on it. He's also 400k, you might make 100k but you probably won't given he hasn't cracked the ton too often in the past 30 games. Too awkwardly priced.