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Andrew3737 · June 21, 2015, 08:23:50 PM

Change LeBron to Kobe and I agree with you.

Jay · June 21, 2015, 08:26:23 PM

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im gonna do my best to articulate this.

Having LeBron on your team actually limits a team to a certain ceiling, it is a high ceiling but when you have an elite team like The Spurs of last year or The Warriors of this year he wont win.

The team that has LeBron on it has to be about LeBron to its own detriment when facing a complete team he comes up short.

cant disgree with this more. Lebron was forced to be the focal point, he is the most selfless superstar the game has ever seen. When he is scoring effeciently, setting up teamates and having somewhat of a break to do his elite D he cant be stopped. He wasnt able to do that. With a fit irving i think they would have pumped GSW.

yes but he still demands to the focal point of whatever needs doing and that has its cons

isnt that every top 10 player? i would say out of the top 10 players maybe only kareem is less of a focal point.
il liken it to the Hawthorn forward line, even when Buddy was still there, they chose to diversify and it made them more potent

LeBron does what is best for his team, can he consider not touching the ball on a play that results in his team winning the game?

Im not convinced, i think he does what is best for his team as long as he has everything to do with it

It's an interesting point. And I don't think it's a coincidence that the Spurs and GSW have had plenty of success without a "Give me the ball and let's dance" kinda guy.

RiOtChEsS · June 21, 2015, 09:33:47 PM

Personally I love that these types of teams are winning, basketball's marketing power is in the individual but if teams continue winning it all then I believe basketball is in the perfect place.
LeBron is great and I'm stoked he came to Miami and brought two titles, riding with the pros and cons of him opened my eyes to what is what when it comes to having him on your team, again he is great and any team is gonna want/pay him his number because it makes you a contender instantly, just not necessarily a champion

Andrew3737 · June 21, 2015, 09:42:03 PM

What do you think Curry is? Obviously not as much as guys like LeBron and Kobe, but he has 29% usg compared to LeBron 31%. He is still the clear go to guy.

LeBron enters a premium club where he instantly makes any team a ring contender and a 50 win team. You cannot say that about any other player. I can think of a few players and none of which are currently playing.

RiOtChEsS · June 21, 2015, 09:54:17 PM

Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 21, 2015, 09:42:03 PM
What do you think Curry is? Obviously not as much as guys like LeBron and Kobe, but he has 29% usg compared to LeBron 31%. He is still the clear go to guy.

LeBron enters a premium club where he instantly makes any team a ring contender and a 50 win team. You cannot say that about any other player. I can think of a few players and none of which are currently playing.

Im not trying to steal his thunder, merely stating that his style of play has its shortcomings, if he played in the west this gets sorted out in the earlier rounds and he is faced with the grim realities of it earlier, ala CP3, flowering great PG that cant seem to get to the CF let alone a shot at the ring.
Curry doesnt always have the ball in hand, Curry took less cash than Klay, Curry can play the complimentary roll because he is a spot up shooter, LeBron doesnt really have that in his arsenal, he needs to feel a sense of control/groove that comes with ball in hand, again not hating on him, his skillset just comes with limitations, look at how it hammered Love's game, Bosh's game initially, Wade's game eventually, his style of game brings it down to what are we gonna do with LeBron and if that succeeds then his team is done, not so with a Duncan, Curry.

jvalles69 · June 21, 2015, 09:56:07 PM

Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 21, 2015, 09:42:03 PM
What do you think Curry is? Obviously not as much as guys like LeBron and Kobe, but he has 29% usg compared to LeBron 31%. He is still the clear go to guy.

LeBron enters a premium club where he instantly makes any team a ring contender and a 50 win team. You cannot say that about any other player. I can think of a few players and none of which are currently playing.

KD is the only other guy that I reckon can do that. Curry, no way, Harden, possibly but doubt it, Melo? Well no we've seen proof of that.

Jay · June 22, 2015, 09:33:33 AM

Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 21, 2015, 09:42:03 PM
What do you think Curry is? Obviously not as much as guys like LeBron and Kobe, but he has 29% usg compared to LeBron 31%. He is still the clear go to guy.

LeBron enters a premium club where he instantly makes any team a ring contender and a 50 win team. You cannot say that about any other player. I can think of a few players and none of which are currently playing.

Healthy KD says g'day.

Andrew3737 · June 22, 2015, 08:26:13 PM

Healthy KD doesn't make the worst team 50 wins and instantly a contender.

Jay · June 22, 2015, 08:53:55 PM

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Healthy KD doesn't make the worst team 50 wins and instantly a contender.

Has LBJ the last two years been better than 2013-14 Durant?

Andrew3737 · June 22, 2015, 09:10:34 PM

Defense my friend. KD has none of it. KD isn't an all round forward who can do everything. Even with Westbrook/Ibaka they couldn't even break 60.

RiOtChEsS · June 22, 2015, 09:14:21 PM

Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 22, 2015, 08:26:13 PM
Healthy KD doesn't make the worst team 50 wins and instantly a contender.

he does in the east

Holz · June 23, 2015, 08:51:01 AM

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Healthy KD doesn't make the worst team 50 wins and instantly a contender.
Has LBJ the last two years been better than 2013-14 Durant?

In sheer offensive scoring probably not close, still rate him as a much better passer and defender though. The difference in the last two years and why lebron is still better is his leadership skills, he took a bunch of role players to 6 games against the best team in the "stacked west"

R.Griffen · June 23, 2015, 09:57:38 AM

Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 21, 2015, 09:42:03 PM
What do you think Curry is? Obviously not as much as guys like LeBron and Kobe, but he has 29% usg compared to LeBron 31%. He is still the clear go to guy.

LeBron and Kobe are not point guards so I just see it as, Curry has the ability to shoot the ball and finish in traffic at the rim. If he has a slower or weak defender on him why not just shoot the ball?

Curry is the go to guy if the shots for Barnes, Green and Klay are not falling from deep. If State played with 2/3 bigs and not just one Curry's usg would go down. Kerr has said it himself that if he had the players to he would use the post and find the open big not just go crazy with the 3 ball

Mat0369 · June 23, 2015, 01:37:02 PM

All this talk on Bron and still no respect given to one of the all time great seasons by the Warriors. They were a top 10 team of all time this year and finished it off with a ring. It wasn't luck, they were just that damn good

Holz · June 23, 2015, 01:48:37 PM

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All this talk on Bron and still no respect given to one of the all time great seasons by the Warriors. They were a top 10 team of all time this year and finished it off with a ring. It wasn't luck, they were just that damn good

they were good in the regular season but in the playoffs they did absolutely nothing to impress. No way they go back to back unless they get lucky again and all challengers get injured and lucky seeding.

they barely got over the line against a team with its 2nd and 3rd best players missing wo is was 2nd seed in the weak east.

The clippers v Spurs round 1 match was the real NBA championship.