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Andrew3737 · June 21, 2015, 04:32:14 PM

Incorrect. Like I said, LBJ+Irving+Love is a bad combo. If you put the best player in the NBA with the right team mates he is going to be favourite. Thats just how it works when you are the best player in the world.

Jay · June 21, 2015, 04:34:44 PM

Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 21, 2015, 04:32:14 PM
Incorrect. Like I said, LBJ+Irving+Love is a bad combo. If you put the best player in the NBA with the right team mates he is going to be favourite. Thats just how it works when you are the best player in the world.

How is it a bad combo? It has potential to be the best offense in the league, easily. Then the bench unit with Varejao, Shump, TT, Delly will provide the defense. Don't blame the roster with 3 elite players brah.

Andrew3737 · June 21, 2015, 04:45:00 PM

Everyone knows defensive wins championships. Wade was an elite perimeter defender but they had nothing to guard Dirk/Duncan. They beat the Thunder since LBJ matches up pretty well with Durant. They barely beat the Spurs which could've went either way. There is a massive, massive difference between good defending and elite defending. Cavs have a good defense, but it just doesn't cut it come playoffs time.

Jay · June 21, 2015, 04:50:22 PM

Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 21, 2015, 04:45:00 PM
Everyone knows defensive wins championships. Wade was an elite perimeter defender but they had nothing to guard Dirk/Duncan. They beat the Thunder since LBJ matches up pretty well with Durant. They barely beat the Spurs which could've went either way. There is a massive, massive difference between good defending and elite defending. Cavs have a good defense, but it just doesn't cut it come playoffs time.

Well actually, the Cavs defense got much better come playoff time. They were below average with an 18th Drtg in the regular season, but then held the Hawks to a 99.7 Ortg in the conf. finals and held the Warriors to 107.3 in the finals - that is elite defending.

If they can keep that up, its not the defensive end where LBJ needs help. It's the O. And Love + Irving can help with that.

Andrew3737 · June 21, 2015, 04:59:49 PM

lol... That is not elite defending. That is good defending. Do you ever think about why is went down like that? Irving instead of Della would change that. Love who is completely useless at defending comes in and again, it changes everything.

Holz · June 21, 2015, 05:03:37 PM

Quote from: Jayman on June 21, 2015, 04:17:59 PM
Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 21, 2015, 04:10:30 PM
There is no sure thing in Basketball or any sport. But having the best team and best chance is pretty much the same thing as winning every ring.
The thing is that, Wade, LBJ, Bosh only went 2/4. And Irving, LBJ, Love couldn't snatch the #1 seed. There are some elite teams out west that are just better than LeBron even if he has good team-mates.

remember the hawks just didnt beat up teams in the east they were killing everyone in the west bar golden state.

Jay · June 21, 2015, 05:34:03 PM

Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 21, 2015, 04:59:49 PM
lol... That is not elite defending. That is good defending. Do you ever think about why is went down like that? Irving instead of Della would change that. Love who is completely useless at defending comes in and again, it changes everything.

Turning the 2nd best offense into the 12th best offense (Warriors), and the 6th best offense into the 30th ranked offense (Hawks) is pretty flowering great. Well yes of course Delly > Kyrie helps the defense, but then you're left with LBJ shouldering the load offensively. He did that in the finals and it spat out an abysmal offensive rating of 99.6 - which would have been worse than everyone in the league apart from Philly.

If you have LBJ + shooters, I don't think that's going to be a good offense - he can't do that anymore. Wade and Kyrie have been so important because it takes the ball out of his hands and lets him take a break, while not sacrificing the offense much at all.

Andrew3737 · June 21, 2015, 06:12:05 PM

Point taken. 100% still on the fact that no one matches up on these bigs on any LeBrons teams. Look what they did with Dwight @ Orlando. They double team him, then spread with shooters. Got them into the finals where Gasol can easy match up Howard 1v1. They need to do the same with LeBron. You are right where LeBron is fading, but he went from the Best player since MJ to the best player since LeBron 2 years ago, its still flowering huge.

Jay · June 21, 2015, 06:19:50 PM

Quote from: Andrew3737 on June 21, 2015, 06:12:05 PM
Point taken. 100% still on the fact that no one matches up on these bigs on any LeBrons teams. Look what they did with Dwight @ Orlando. They double team him, then spread with shooters. Got them into the finals where Gasol can easy match up Howard 1v1. They need to do the same with LeBron. You are right where LeBron is fading, but he went from the Best player since MJ to the best player since LeBron 2 years ago, its still flowering huge.

Irving, JR, Love. He's going to have a lot of shooting around him next year, and I think they'll have the #1 offense in the league if they bring Love back. Give them another pre-season and they'll figure out a way to get Love more involved. They'll be unguardable.

But yeah I agree that LeBron 5 years ago could carry me, you, Holz and Chumps to a top 5 offense.

RiOtChEsS · June 21, 2015, 06:58:23 PM

im gonna do my best to articulate this.

Having LeBron on your team actually limits a team to a certain ceiling, it is a high ceiling but when you have an elite team like The Spurs of last year or The Warriors of this year he wont win.

The team that has LeBron on it has to be about LeBron to its own detriment when facing a complete team he comes up short.

Holz · June 21, 2015, 07:15:15 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 21, 2015, 06:58:23 PM
im gonna do my best to articulate this.

Having LeBron on your team actually limits a team to a certain ceiling, it is a high ceiling but when you have an elite team like The Spurs of last year or The Warriors of this year he wont win.

The team that has LeBron on it has to be about LeBron to its own detriment when facing a complete team he comes up short.

cant disgree with this more. Lebron was forced to be the focal point, he is the most selfless superstar the game has ever seen. When he is scoring effeciently, setting up teamates and having somewhat of a break to do his elite D he cant be stopped. He wasnt able to do that. With a fit irving i think they would have pumped GSW.

RiOtChEsS · June 21, 2015, 07:24:43 PM

Quote from: Holz on June 21, 2015, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 21, 2015, 06:58:23 PM
im gonna do my best to articulate this.

Having LeBron on your team actually limits a team to a certain ceiling, it is a high ceiling but when you have an elite team like The Spurs of last year or The Warriors of this year he wont win.

The team that has LeBron on it has to be about LeBron to its own detriment when facing a complete team he comes up short.

cant disgree with this more. Lebron was forced to be the focal point, he is the most selfless superstar the game has ever seen. When he is scoring effeciently, setting up teamates and having somewhat of a break to do his elite D he cant be stopped. He wasnt able to do that. With a fit irving i think they would have pumped GSW.

yes but he still demands to the focal point of whatever needs doing and that has its cons

Andrew3737 · June 21, 2015, 07:26:12 PM

Surely being the best player on a team, you need to be the focal point.

Holz · June 21, 2015, 07:36:05 PM

Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 21, 2015, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: Holz on June 21, 2015, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 21, 2015, 06:58:23 PM
im gonna do my best to articulate this.

Having LeBron on your team actually limits a team to a certain ceiling, it is a high ceiling but when you have an elite team like The Spurs of last year or The Warriors of this year he wont win.

The team that has LeBron on it has to be about LeBron to its own detriment when facing a complete team he comes up short.

cant disgree with this more. Lebron was forced to be the focal point, he is the most selfless superstar the game has ever seen. When he is scoring effeciently, setting up teamates and having somewhat of a break to do his elite D he cant be stopped. He wasnt able to do that. With a fit irving i think they would have pumped GSW.

yes but he still demands to the focal point of whatever needs doing and that has its cons

isnt that every top 10 player? i would say out of the top 10 players maybe only kareem is less of a focal point.

RiOtChEsS · June 21, 2015, 08:10:12 PM

Quote from: Holz on June 21, 2015, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 21, 2015, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: Holz on June 21, 2015, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 21, 2015, 06:58:23 PM
im gonna do my best to articulate this.

Having LeBron on your team actually limits a team to a certain ceiling, it is a high ceiling but when you have an elite team like The Spurs of last year or The Warriors of this year he wont win.

The team that has LeBron on it has to be about LeBron to its own detriment when facing a complete team he comes up short.

cant disgree with this more. Lebron was forced to be the focal point, he is the most selfless superstar the game has ever seen. When he is scoring effeciently, setting up teamates and having somewhat of a break to do his elite D he cant be stopped. He wasnt able to do that. With a fit irving i think they would have pumped GSW.

yes but he still demands to the focal point of whatever needs doing and that has its cons

isnt that every top 10 player? i would say out of the top 10 players maybe only kareem is less of a focal point.

il liken it to the Hawthorn forward line, even when Buddy was still there, they chose to diversify and it made them more potent

LeBron does what is best for his team, can he consider not touching the ball on a play that results in his team winning the game?

Im not convinced, i think he does what is best for his team as long as he has everything to do with it