NBA Season 2014-2015

[Master Q]

Best team all time potential... You don't know how good Wiggins will turn out to be.

Sarcasm right? You do realise that this Cleveland weren't evening playoff contention despite being in an all time weak conference. Also only had 1 starter with a PER above the league average... The roster just isn't good yet, being young and having upside =/= being worth LeBron spending the final years of his prime there. And can we hold up on Wiggins a bit, the guy is just coming off a season where he averaged 16 or so ppg, and came up small in the tournament, let's see him at NBA level first.

Why would I be sarcastic? Unsure if you know what the word potential means. Last time I checked Cav's didn't have Wiggins and LeBron last season. All their young players will have a chance to improve too.

You may have misread my post. I simply saw the team Chumps posted and said that team would have potential to be the greatest of all time. Nothing to do with LeBron's free agency...

[Andrew3747]

And Holz, regarding Love... I think to be a top 5 player in this league you need to have made the playoffs at least once in your career. Or at least be good at both ends of the floor.

tell that to durant or shaq.

[Jay]

And Holz, regarding Love... I think to be a top 5 player in this league you need to have made the playoffs at least once in your career. Or at least be good at both ends of the floor.

tell that to durant or shaq.

Shaq was a decent rim protecter in his prime and KD is a pretty good defender now too. Love is downright awful on defense.

Cannot see how Melo goes back to Knicks, by opting out now and resigning he actually loses money for the upcoming season, he actually gets less money in the max deal too than if had he waited until end of next season to opt out and resign, so if its not about money its about... leaving :-\

I'm thinking of it the other way.. If Melo was going to leave it'd be a chance at a title, and if that's what he wanted he would already be in Chicago by now. I think he did his due diligence in testing free agency, and now he's going to put the rest of his prime in Phil Jackson..

Hey Jayman if the Cavs really thought they were gonna hava shot at him, why did it take until yesterday to take the letter down?

There is definitely something big going on but its not what the media r regurgitating, remember how quiet they kept the 2010 recruiting :-X

I'll buy that LeBron listened to their pitch.. They think they have a chance, hence why they took the letter down. I think LeBron is listening to everyone's pitch though, I don't think Cavs are favourites.. He's meeting with Pat Riley Friday, and you can't imagine that the conversation involves LeBron saying he's leaving..

[Andrew3747]

thats like saying al jefferson was a good rim protector. well ofc when you are 7ft you can protect the rim, but no they arent good defenders.

KD is a liability on defense, no idea where you get "he is a good defender" thing from. Must be another Avery moment.

[Jay]

thats like saying al jefferson was a good rim protector. well ofc when you are 7ft you can protect the rim, but no they arent good defenders.

KD is a liability on defense, no idea where you get "he is a good defender" thing from. Must be another Avery moment.

Liability? KD had a lower Drtg than LeBron and also more defensive win shares. So is LeBron a liability on defense now?

Avery is an excellent defender btw

[Jay]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-lebron-james-leaning-toward-joining-alqae,36417/

[RiOtChEsS]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-lebron-james-leaning-toward-joining-alqae,36417/

;D


Quote from: RiOtChEsS on Yesterday at 11:08:32 PM
Hey Jayman if the Cavs really thought they were gonna hava shot at him, why did it take until yesterday to take the letter down?

There is definitely something big going on but its not what the media r regurgitating, remember how quiet they kept the 2010 recruiting :-X
I'll buy that LeBron listened to their pitch.. They think they have a chance, hence why they took the letter down. I think LeBron is listening to everyone's pitch though, I don't think Cavs are favourites.. He's meeting with Pat Riley Friday, and you can't imagine that the conversation involves LeBron saying he's leaving.

yeah exactly its reactionary, why even make a pitch if u have that letter up, its like calling a girl a slut for 4 years and then asking her to be ur girlfriend, the media have made this "possibility" LeBrons agent is doing all the leg work bcos he aint going anywhere ;)

[Jay]

Yeah I think LeBron is just leading the Cavs on, maybe to put pressure on Pat Riley to upgrade the roster for him?

I still think if Bosh does take the max in Houston, then Melo will probably end up in Miami.

I also think LeBron will go back to Cleveland, but not this contract... He can't afford to waste any of his prime years now!

[Andrew3747]

thats like saying al jefferson was a good rim protector. well ofc when you are 7ft you can protect the rim, but no they arent good defenders.

KD is a liability on defense, no idea where you get "he is a good defender" thing from. Must be another Avery moment.

Liability? KD had a lower Drtg than LeBron and also more defensive win shares. So is LeBron a liability on defense now?

Avery is an excellent defender btw

you know those stats are hugely inflated when your teams wins more games right? For instance, Al Jefferson has more winshares and DRTG than Anthony Davis.

I still have no idea how you can defend avery now. He isn't an excellent defender, he is a borderline average defender. If you go by DRTG and DWS like you just did, he is prob @ 1.0 and 110. So KD is a good defender because of his DRTG and DWS, but Avery is an excellent defender but the stats don't matter? Dat shift of goal posts for 9897487423872347th time with Jay.

[Jay]

thats like saying al jefferson was a good rim protector. well ofc when you are 7ft you can protect the rim, but no they arent good defenders.

KD is a liability on defense, no idea where you get "he is a good defender" thing from. Must be another Avery moment.

Liability? KD had a lower Drtg than LeBron and also more defensive win shares. So is LeBron a liability on defense now?

Avery is an excellent defender btw

you know those stats are hugely inflated when your teams wins more games right? For instance, Al Jefferson has more winshares and DRTG than Anthony Davis.

I still have no idea how you can defend avery now. He isn't an excellent defender, he is a borderline average defender. If you go by DRTG and DWS like you just did, he is prob @ 1.0 and 110. So KD is a good defender because of his DRTG and DWS, but Avery is an excellent defender but the stats don't matter? Dat shift of goal posts for 9897487423872347th time with Jay.

I was just giving you some stats since you love those advanced metrics so much. But yeah go ahead and try and convince me that KD is a liability on defense. Because I really can't see that argument. Maybe a below average to average defender but the term liability should be saved for the James Harden, Kevin Love's of the world..

Didn't you notice the way BS used Avery last year? He made him work more in a 'team defense' role rather than how Doc used him harassing the opposing ball handler all the way up the court.

Last season, Bradley made the NBA's All-Defense team for the first time in his career, posting some of the best individual defensive numbers in basketball. According to Synergy Sports, Bradley allowed only 0.73 points per play on the defensive end, and held his opponents to just 32.3% shooting. In isolation those numbers went down to 0.67 ppp allowed and 30.3%. When you consider that he constantly matches up with the opponents best guard, these numbers are flat out ridiculous.

Now in this system he is only guarding isolation 9% of the time compared to 23% last season. Yet he's still holding opponents to a FG% of 38.2 - still very good.

Hopefully BS can 'release' Avery more on defense this season, and perhaps that's what he has in my mind with the 8mill a year deal? We'll see but Avery certainly is not a "borderline average defender".

And if you prefer to go by eye test, just watch some of these:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=avery+bradley+defense

[Andrew3747]

but DRTG and DWS tho. Also, we have been through this. That sample size is just way way too small and over a such a short period of time to even consider. Its like saying "I flipped a coin 10 times and it came up tails 9 times. Chances of tails coming up must be 90%!!!"

[RiOtChEsS]

I dont know that he is leading them on so much as the media r, he and whatever the plan is cant be announced until the signings occur (10th July in U.S.) i dont buy that Riley has to make a pitch to him, Riley will give him whatever he wants, mad not too, he took vacations and trips at this time bcos he has nothing to say until its signed sealed delivered.

How flowering stupid r The Cavs tho, u call his agent to make a pitch and still have that letter on ur website :o

Question: Could Dwyane Wade sign for the veteran minimum?

[valkorum]

WOW - Bold from Jordan

Hornets give Gordon Hayward 4 year $63M offer sheet.

[Mat0369]

I keep forgetting Charlotte are the Hornets again, I keep thinking it is still New Orleans


Oh and although he hasn't played a game yet and won't for 12 months, I think Embiid is almost my favourite NBA player

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/07/joel-embiid-nba-twitter-mvp/7

[Mat0369]

Celtics also picked up a few contracts potentially paving the way for a LeBron return to the Cavs