NBA Season 2014-2015

Andrew3747 · July 13, 2014, 02:14:26 PM

Nene > david west. Nenewas/ is a really good anchor. Yeah west is better offensivly but you dont need an offensive big man when you habe melo taking a gazzilion shots every quarter.

Lebron isnt unbeatable, that still doesnt make whatever his team is less favourites. Miami was favs at the start of last season and this team is better than that. Spurs are a year older. Willing to bet for any amount heads up between spurs v cavs last longer bet.

Andrew3747 · July 13, 2014, 02:17:57 PM

Also if it was over reacting, do you really think any bookie would take bets? Thats not how the market works. Cavs are fabs because with the acquisition of lbj, they now have the best team. 5 years ago, lebron made a sub 15 win team a 60+ win team. Are you saying 2014 lbj cant make a 33 win team a 65+ win team? Lol @ you

My Chumps · July 13, 2014, 02:27:42 PM

Pretty disappointed we missed out on Pau :(

Master Q · July 13, 2014, 03:03:16 PM

PP :'(

Still think there is a chance he could be traded to us next season. Otherwise he'll sign a 10 day contract and finish his career at Boston.

Think I might get his Brookly and Washington shirts so I can have the full set :P

Andrew3747 · July 13, 2014, 03:16:35 PM

Not sure what I think about PP34. Ariza is better, but depth I guess is good.

My Chumps · July 13, 2014, 03:58:18 PM

Psht, should retire.

Master Q · July 13, 2014, 04:01:28 PM

Quote from: My Chumps on July 13, 2014, 03:58:18 PM
Psht, should retire.

Blasphemy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMFDIYbOh7M

Jay · July 13, 2014, 04:11:58 PM

"Spurs are a year older" what's that supposed to mean? They improved last season and I can't see why they won't again next year. Miami were favourites last year because they were the defending champions, now it's the Spurs time. Watch them crush LeBron once again if they meet in the finals. Cavs don't have the best team, that's just ignorant - they'll be a top 3 seed and could possibly make the finals but there is a few teams in the west that are easily superior.

I quite like the Wizards so not fussed with Pierce signing there. He's an upgrade over Ariza and comes at a much cheaper price.

Mat0369 · July 13, 2014, 04:27:28 PM

Again, there are at least 4 teams out West that are better then the Cavs even with the addition of LeBron. To say otherwise is just ignorant. Just because he plays in a conference where the 11 seed in the West can make the playoffs doesn't mean the Cavs are favourites for the title. You still have to play one of those 4 teams that are better.

My Chumps · July 13, 2014, 04:29:36 PM

Quote from: Mat0369 on July 13, 2014, 04:27:28 PM
Again, there are at least 4 teams out West that are better then the Cavs even with the addition of LeBron. To say otherwise is just ignorant. Just because he plays in a conference where the 11 seed in the West can make the playoffs doesn't mean the Cavs are favourites for the title. You still have to play one of those 4 teams that are better.

SAS, OKC, Clips... Houston? GSW? Grizzlies?

Jay · July 13, 2014, 04:32:21 PM

Quote from: My Chumps on July 13, 2014, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 13, 2014, 04:27:28 PM
Again, there are at least 4 teams out West that are better then the Cavs even with the addition of LeBron. To say otherwise is just ignorant. Just because he plays in a conference where the 11 seed in the West can make the playoffs doesn't mean the Cavs are favourites for the title. You still have to play one of those 4 teams that are better.
SAS, OKC, Clips... Houston? GSW? Grizzlies?

Spurs, Thunder, Clippers, Warriors and maybe Dallas if they land Parsons. Houston and Portland aren't far behind either.

The west is stacked and whoever makes it through, should he overwhelming favourites for the title.

Andrew3747 · July 13, 2014, 04:33:54 PM

Quote from: Jayman on July 13, 2014, 04:11:58 PM
"Spurs are a year older" what's that supposed to mean? They improved last season and I can't see why they won't again next year. Miami were favourites last year because they were the defending champions, now it's the Spurs time. Watch them crush LeBron once again if they meet in the finals. Cavs don't have the best team, that's just ignorant - they'll be a top 3 seed and could possibly make the finals but there is a few teams in the west that are easily superior.

I quite like the Wizards so not fussed with Pierce signing there. He's an upgrade over Ariza and comes at a much cheaper price.

like who? Year 1 Spurs, OKC and maybe Clipps can match. They are the only teams that are even close. Manu, Parker and Duncan are all 1 year older. Boston has seen first hand how ages can destroy dreams. All 3 of them have had their numbers cut each year and minutes played declining heavily. It would be pretty illogical to think that won't happen and a general decline isn't in play.

Huge lol @ PP34 being better than Ariza. Come on man jesus christ.

Matt,

Every single bookie and normal thinking person has Cavs fav for the title. The first half of the season is huge due to rookie coach and Irving actually having to adapt to his lower USG and more D. LBJ makes any team pretty much 1 or 2 seed. Making a 33+ win favourite isn't a stretch. There are not 4 better teams in the NBA, let alone in the west.

Quote from: Jayman on July 13, 2014, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on July 13, 2014, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 13, 2014, 04:27:28 PM
Again, there are at least 4 teams out West that are better then the Cavs even with the addition of LeBron. To say otherwise is just ignorant. Just because he plays in a conference where the 11 seed in the West can make the playoffs doesn't mean the Cavs are favourites for the title. You still have to play one of those 4 teams that are better.
SAS, OKC, Clips... Houston? GSW? Grizzlies?
Spurs, Thunder, Clippers, Warriors and maybe Dallas if they land Parsons. Houston and Portland aren't far behind either.

The west is stacked and whoever makes it through, should he overwhelming favourites for the title.

Yeah, I'm done. If you actually think for somehow that Warriors, Dallas, Houston and Portland are close to the Cavs now, you have the IQ of a loaf of bread.

Still waiting for any of you to back up with what you say for real $$.

Master Q · July 13, 2014, 04:47:34 PM

Cavs would beat Warriors and Clips IMO.

3 horse race for me. OKC, Spurs and Cavs. I can see someone like Bulls and Indiana giving Cleveland a tough time though.

Mat0369 · July 13, 2014, 04:56:44 PM

Quote from: Andrew3747 on July 13, 2014, 04:33:54 PM
like who? Year 1 Spurs, OKC and maybe Clipps can match. They are the only teams that are even close. Manu, Parker and Duncan are all 1 year older. Boston has seen first hand how ages can destroy dreams. All 3 of them have had their numbers cut each year and minutes played declining heavily. It would be pretty illogical to think that won't happen and a general decline isn't in play.

Huge lol @ PP34 being better than Ariza. Come on man jesus christ.

Matt,

Every single bookie and normal thinking person has Cavs fav for the title. The first half of the season is huge due to rookie coach and Irving actually having to adapt to his lower USG and more D. LBJ makes any team pretty much 1 or 2 seed. Making a 33+ win favourite isn't a stretch. There are not 4 better teams in the NBA, let alone in the west.

The bookies have reacted to LeBron's move, but that doesn't mean it is right. It has happened quite a few times in the last couple of years where the markets in Australia in American sports have been inflated when they shouldn't be. The NFL betting is always the biggest culprit when it comes to this with teams being really short odds when they are in fact no chance at a title. They try to make it appealing to the casual fan to place a bet on, and the odds drop due to the influx of money on these teams.

And let's get facts right, the Spurs are actually the favourites. Go on Centrebet and the Spurs are $5.50 with the Cavs at $6

Also 4 teams that would wipe the floor with the Cavs

Spurs, OKC, Clippers and the Grizz. The Warriors and Portland are the bracket below and I am not sure where to put Houston if they don't sign Parsons. In a 7 game series a Cavs team with no real imposing bigs, a PG that likes to jack up bad shots while playing no D and LeBron would not make it past those teams in a 7 game series. A healthy Memphis would destroy them inside, so would the Spurs and Clippers. Westbrook would destroy Kyrie over a 7 game series while Ibaka would have his way inside against Varejao and TT. Being a 1 or 2 seed in the East is not a great achievement, the conference is terrible, last year the Suns would have been the 3 seed and they didn't even make the playoffs in the West. While they may walk into the ECF game they still have to come up against a stronger opponent in the Finals when they finally play a team from the WC. IF they got Love, then I would consider them favourites, but without Love, you can't go past a much stronger Western conference team to win a ring.

Jay · July 13, 2014, 04:58:57 PM

Spurs are well ahead of anyone in the east and only OKC can match them out west. OKC obviously should be rated higher than Cleveland too, due to having 2 top 5 guys. Clippers will improve too, Blake and DJ only young and the signing of Hawes is big. Manu, Tony and Timmy were all a year older in the 2014 finals than they were in 2013, yet they still won so I don't see your point. Everyone says Spurs will decline and they prove them wrong every single year. And if any of the big 3 decline, that should be offset by the rise of Kawhi.

Pierce had a higher PER for what its worth. Ariza had one of the easiest jobs, just stand in the corner and shoot threes. Pierce was incredibly efficient last year and I think Wiz improve now having a veteran leader to help the young backcourt.

Don't write off the Warriors, especially if they get Love. They lost in 7 to the Clipps without backcourt. Curry and Klay can only improve together and tbh I dont think its that much of a stretch to see them making the finals. Dallas pushed the Spurs to 7 so with upgrades this off-season you have to respect them as a threat.