Essendon ASADA update

[Hellopplz]

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[Kellogscrunchynut]

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Performance enhancing drugs are bad mmkay.

[Mr.Craig]

Essendon players get banned for first two games, AFL renames Round 1 to Round 3.

Problem solved.

[Ziplock]

Essendon players get banned for first two games, AFL renames Round 1 to Round 3.

Problem solved.

afl bans all clubs from rounds 1-2 :P

[Grazz]

Essendon players get banned for first two games, AFL renames Round 1 to Round 3.

Problem solved.

afl bans all clubs from rounds 1-2 :P

Haha sounds about right.

[Drak]

The all clear players team from the Melbourne game looked competitive. Which will be good for the competition if the bans come through.

[Big Mac]

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Don't tell me what to do

[Southstorm]

AFL will probably give the minimum sentence.
Essendon pull in some of the bigger crowds. Can't let a money maker take a hit

Can't go to lightly ASADA/WADA will need to be satisfied but i agree it will be as light as actually possible i think.

If found guilty I would expect 12 month bans, the question will be how far backdated they are. Given that WADA weren't that happy with the amount of backdating the Sharks got, and that was when they co-operated infinitely more than Essendon, I wouldn't be surprised if WADA won't be happy unless these players are rubbed out for the season. WADA don't care about the money the AFL lose...

Thing that's different, is that essendon still don't admit to have done anything wrong. Sharks did admit to deliberate doping.

My understanding (and I may well be wrong) was that it was a pretty similar scenario, players were given something and told it was fine. They just copped to it a lot faster. In any case, I addressed that in my earlier post that you TL;DR'd :P

4) All of the "they might not be guilty" - very true, and it's important we bear this in mind, that they aren't guilty yet. However, as much as many of you guys bleed essendon, try to take a dispassionate, objective view.
a) The bombers called for an investigation into a supplement programme they ran because they had concerns about it.
b) Said programme was hidden from the club doctor, who has been the only one to successfully challenge his sanction.
c) Hird and Essendon have undertaken extensive legal battles to get the investigation ruled unlawful
d) ASADA have issued show cause notices in relation to Thymosin beta 4 - there is no grey area on the legality of that.

In relation to a,b and c, if you were comfortable you had nothing to hide, why were those steps taken? In relation to d, I don't believe ASADA would issue these notices without sufficient evidence - exactly what that evidence is we don't know. There's been hearsay in the media about statements from Dank and Charter, and that sketchy photo floating around, but personally I believe ASADA must have something better than that, as I don't believe they'd make a case solely on something that shaky. But innocent until proven guilty, we'll see what happens.

No question that Essendon have done some seriously dodgy and pathetic shower in trying to have their names cleared, however won't the argument be made to ASADA that the club was not acting on behalf of the player ground in question and rather, the players were being represented by the AFLPA? I'm a little shaky on this all; I was under the impression that the Essendon FC and Hird undertook their own legal action entirely separate from the players and that each of the 34 with a pending ban co-operated with ASADA to the fullest extend through the AFLPA.

Which again, is more dodgy shower. Essendon would have actively tried to keep their playing group separate from their own legal challenges so the playing list wouldn't be compromised by the outcome.

[Ziplock]

The all clear players team from the Melbourne game looked competitive. Which will be good for the competition if the bans come through.

First time Melbourne as competitive have been used in the same sentence :p

[Drak]

The all clear players team from the Melbourne game looked competitive. Which will be good for the competition if the bans come through.

First time Melbourne as competitive have been used in the same sentence :p

Even though I was talking about Essendon? lol

[Ziplock]

The all clear players team from the Melbourne game looked competitive. Which will be good for the competition if the bans come through.

First time Melbourne as competitive have been used in the same sentence :p

Even though I was talking about Essendon? lol

Hence the amusement :P

[RiOtChEsS]

how long are those 'suspended players' out for? are they just sitting out the NAB and resuming round 1?

[Drak]

how long are those 'suspended players' out for? are they just sitting out the NAB and resuming round 1?

The speculation is rife.

But realistically they could be pumped with a ban that would see them out for the whole season. If the tribunal deems the Thymosin to be adequately labeled as the Beta 4. Then I don't see how they won't impose that kind of ban.

6months was given for a guilty plea from the NRL players under the same microscope.

There has been talk, however, that a ban including the pre season would equate to 2 games being missed from the season proper. But that would be from a 6month ban. So I don't really see how that is possible given the circumstances.

Unless a not guilty verdict comes out of course.

[Cookie Monster]

how long are those 'suspended players' out for? are they just sitting out the NAB and resuming round 1?

The speculation is rife.

But realistically they could be pumped with a ban that would see them out for the whole season. If the tribunal deems the Thymosin to be adequately labeled as the Beta 4. Then I don't see how they won't impose that kind of ban.

6months was given for a guilty plea from the NRL players under the same microscope.

There has been talk, however, that a ban including the pre season would equate to 2 games being missed from the season proper. But that would be from a 6month ban. So I don't really see how that is possible given the circumstances.

Unless a not guilty verdict comes out of course.

If the players are given the 6 month ban, it will be backdated to September or around that time which would make it about 2 matches.
That's the reason why the players haven't played this pre-season.

Watson and Fletcher though might be a bit longer because they played in the International Rules series.

[RiOtChEsS]

how long are those 'suspended players' out for? are they just sitting out the NAB and resuming round 1?

The speculation is rife.

But realistically they could be pumped with a ban that would see them out for the whole season. If the tribunal deems the Thymosin to be adequately labeled as the Beta 4. Then I don't see how they won't impose that kind of ban.

6months was given for a guilty plea from the NRL players under the same microscope.

There has been talk, however, that a ban including the pre season would equate to 2 games being missed from the season proper. But that would be from a 6month ban. So I don't really see how that is possible given the circumstances.

Unless a not guilty verdict comes out of course.

If the players are given the 6 month ban, it will be backdated to September or around that time which would make it about 2 matches.
That's the reason why the players haven't played this pre-season.

Watson and Fletcher though might be a bit longer because they played in the International Rules series.

cheers guys appreciate that 8)