Carlton H&A Discussion

[Nige]

Big bodied midfielder though, 187cm and 90kg so has the right frame, and could potentially be transformed into a ball winning midfielder.

If you were to keep 7 you would get Durdin, there's no doubts about that, he is what you're lacking (over anything else).

Loves to win the ball does Whiley, could blossom nicely if given an opportunity.

[Mat0369]

Nah. We have enough big bodied and tagging mids. If we are going for midfielders we need outside guys with pace or good users by foot. All our good kids are inside mids, we need to add some more class to the likes of Murph and Gibbs. Pick 7 could be anything. We need key forwards and defenders, so who knows which way we go.

Also the more I think about it, we need development coaches. In 2011 we had a bunch of guys trending upwards and playing some really good football. 2012 the development stalled. Some of this was due to injury, others I guess you could say age started catching up. The fact is, since 2012 our player development has been terrible. I think guys like Boots and Temay are a testament to that. They are either lacking discipline from the top or our farming ground at the Northern Blues needs a massive revamp.

[Ricochet]

Apparently Lucas was only in Perth seeing his mum and dad, and won't be traded to WA

[Vinny]

OUT: Pick 7
IN: Kristian Jaksch, Mark Whiley & Pick 19

I didn't want to give up Pick 7 but fingers crossed Jaksch does well.

Welcome boys!

[Mat0369]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-18/lamb-his-toughest-critic

I want him. We are desperate for a player like Lamb in our forward line

[Vinny]

Looks a gun, him or Reece McKenzie would be awesome.


List Changes:

OUT
Pick #7
Pick #46
Pick #83
Jarrad Waite
Jeff Garlett
Mitch Robinson (Pending)
Heath Scotland
Jaryd Cachia
Andrew McInnes
Nick Duigan
Josh Bootsma
Tom Temay
Luke Reynolds

IN
Pick #19
Pick #61
Pick #79
Kristian Jaksch
Mark Whiley
Liam Jones
Jason Tutt (Pending via PSD)

Current NAT Draft Picks: 19, 28, 61, 65, 79, 101, 119.

[Mat0369]

McKenzie doesn't fit in a forward line with Cas and Jones. Once the ball hits the ground we will be F'ed since they all have the turning circle of a truck

Also in those pending outs add in Ellard, Brock and Kane Lucas. All 3 are still out of contract.

[Vinny]

There is a chance Jones could end up being a complete spud though but we'll see.

Ideally for me, Lucas and Brock both don't get offered new contracts. But both will probably sign. Ellard, I don't really care, isn't best 22.

[elephants]

KL welcome to WC :p

[Mat0369]

There is a chance Jones could end up being a complete spud though but we'll see.

He is a complete spud. He has had maybe 2 good games in his career and is a complete and utter spastic. Also this talk of he was the dogs first option, not true, he was more often then not the 2nd or 3rd option in that team. Replace Jones with Head/Hendo and they aren't exactly great at ground level so the point still stands. It will depend on how we use Hendo/Head/White/Jaksch and I think the Saints really want McKenzie so he won't be there for our 2nd round pick

Of those guys out of contract I would give Brock and Davey a 1 year deal each. Brock would play VFL and be depth if he is willing to do that, Ellard we need due to a lack of small forward depth and while he isn't a great small forward he is serviceable. I would love for Robbo to stay but I doubt it.

[Mat0369]

KL welcome to WC :p

Good riddance

West Coast, collecting other teams trash since Cale Morton

[Vinny]

Haha let's give Jones a chance first to prove himself, then we can flower him off if he does nothing. If McLean is willing to play VFL and be a back-up, I'd be happy for the one year. But I'd rather play Graham, Cripps etc. I've got a crazy feeling Robinson will stay. I mean, can the club be that stupid to let him go for nothing? I'm keen to see Jaksch and Whiley play.

For Treloar/Shiel (I know its 100%) hypothetical, but its exciting) What is our cap space like?

Scotland, Waite, Garlett, Robinson out this year and Judd next year would free up a fair bit.

[elephants]

KL welcome to WC :p

Good riddance

West Coast, collecting other teams trash since Cale Morton

Eh, cost us nothing and was worth the punt. Some bloke names Xavier Ellis has been pretty damn good for us since we picked him up for nothing.

[Mat0369]

Haha let's give Jones a chance first to prove himself, then we can flower him off if he does nothing. If McLean is willing to play VFL and be a back-up, I'd be happy for the one year. But I'd rather play Graham, Cripps etc. I've got a crazy feeling Robinson will stay. I mean, can the club be that stupid to let him go for nothing? I'm keen to see Jaksch and Whiley play.

For Treloar/Shiel (I know its 100%) hypothetical, but its exciting) What is our cap space like?

Scotland, Waite, Garlett, Robinson out this year and Judd next year would free up a fair bit.

Well at least the Bullants will have someone not named Jack Anthony to kick to this season with Jones in the reserves.

Graham and Cripps do need AFL games into them, but Brock would provide quality depth. Good teams have quality depth around the park. I doubt Robbo stays, the club has written him off. One thing I don't like about the direction we are heading is the fact we have so many taggers/slow/defensive mids. Whiley is likely going to be the Carrots replacement, but that is what we were grooming Curnow for. We now have Curnow, Whiley and Everitt as lockdown players through the middle. Maybe they give Andrejs a new role.

To be able to get either Treloar or Shiel two things will have to happen.

1. We tank for a top 5 pick
2. We give up a star

Scotty was barely on any cash due to the contract he received last year/being rookie listed

Waite was on the veterans list, Robbo and Jeffy were not worth that much in cash, Juddy would be taking less then his usual salary to keep playing. Where the cash will come off next year is the Warnock contract. We were giving that dud far to much cash to lure him to Carlton. The Thomas deal also hurts locking cash up in a player that sure as hell isn't worth it, they should ask him to restructure but I doubt he does it

[Mat0369]

Eh, cost us nothing and was worth the punt. Some bloke names Xavier Ellis has been pretty damn good for us since we picked him up for nothing.

Ellis has at least shown something at AFL level, it has always been his body that has let him down. Morton and Lucas, not so much