Carlton H&A Discussion

[Toga]

If I were you guys I would be hoping Goodesy plays on so Membrey might consider a move back to vic ;)

[Mat0369]

Nah

[Mailman the 2nd]

pick 6 for Tomlinson and O' Rourke  ;)

I don't think Tomlinson wants out :p

you think every player ever traded has wanted out?

There are very few nowadays. Trades like the Judd one where JJK was forced out of Carlton rarely happen.

So McEvoy and Vince asked to be traded last year? Must of missed that press  release.

Willing to be traded =/=  asking to be traded and making a big scene and dance in the media lmao

[Mat0369]

Vin I think key defender with pick 6 and then a tall/medium sized forward with the 2nd rounder. I think Tom Lamb from what I hear fits the mold of the forward we should be taking. I don't know where he will fit in terms of draft position, but he might be a target with our 2nd round pick. McKenzie is the other as a 2nd rounder but he is too similar to Levi which might screw us. I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down if we can score a solid player in return. There might be a few teams looking to add a few FA's in need of cap space or a team like GC if they want to go after Beams and offer both pick 6 and 7 to get the deal done. 

[Ricochet]

Whats the word on where Waite is heading? Wouldn't mind luring him over to Freo

[Vinny]

Whats the word on where Waite is heading? Wouldn't mind luring him over to Freo

I think it was North, Freo or Collingwood. Think it was Tabs that mentioned it in the Off-Season Trade Rumours thread.

[Vinny]

Vin I think key defender with pick 6 and then a tall/medium sized forward with the 2nd rounder. I think Tom Lamb from what I hear fits the mold of the forward we should be taking. I don't know where he will fit in terms of draft position, but he might be a target with our 2nd round pick. McKenzie is the other as a 2nd rounder but he is too similar to Levi which might screw us. I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down if we can score a solid player in return. There might be a few teams looking to add a few FA's in need of cap space or a team like GC if they want to go after Beams and offer both pick 6 and 7 to get the deal done.

Fair enough, with Waite gone if we don't get a KPP that would be a joke. I was talking to Nige on chat about some of the good key forwards in the draft this year. Apparently Sam Durdin is meant to be pretty good.

http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-sam-durdin/

Plays defence, ruck and forward. 87kg, 197cm and supposedly like Jake Carlisle. He is a bit slim but apparently a bit of a prospect.

Peter Wright and Patrick McCartin are the other two gun forwards but they are unlikely to be around at Pick 6.

Haven't heard of  those guys that you mentioned to be honest.


The club has said they will no longer pursue Tom Mitchell and will not attempt to poach him unless he comes out personally and says he wants to play in Melbourne.

We are also interested in Liam Jones and Kristian Jaksch.

[Nige]

Durdin's more of a defender/ruck than a forward though.

[Mat0369]

Fair enough, with Waite gone if we don't get a KPP that would be a joke. I was talking to Nige on chat about some of the good key forwards in the draft this year. Apparently Sam Durdin is meant to be pretty good.

http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-sam-durdin/

Plays defence, ruck and forward. 87kg, 197cm and supposedly like Jake Carlisle. He is a bit slim but apparently a bit of a prospect.

Peter Wright and Patrick McCartin are the other two gun forwards but they are unlikely to be around at Pick 6.

Haven't heard of  those guys that you mentioned to be honest.


The club has said they will no longer pursue Tom Mitchell and will not attempt to poach him unless he comes out personally and says he wants to play in Melbourne.

We are also interested in Liam Jones and Kristian Jaksch.

McKenzie played for the Northern Knights and had a purple patch during the year where he dominated. Under the old F/S rules Carlton would have been able to claim him as his dad Warren played 67 games.

I can't remember what I was watching but they were linking Lamb to us. He is more of a lead up agile guy and he can move out and play into the midfield. Not sure what his form was like this year but he is a good compliment to Hendo and Levi.

Durdin is probably the style of player we need to target first, someone we can patch into spots, but I think with a kid like that you want to settle him at one end of the field. Hurley is a perfect example of that. He struggled for form most of his career but that is because they never knew where they wanted to play him and they would constantly call to switch him between attack and defense.

I actually put a search into the site you linked for McKenzie and it popped up with this

5. Western Bulldogs - Sam Durdin
West Adelaide
Height: 197 cm
Weight: 89 kg
Position: Key defender/utility
Player comparison: Lachie Henderson
Strengths: Versatility, agility, foot skills
Areas needing improvement: Finding one position to excel in

[Toga]

Durdin would be a good pick up for Carlton, very versatile player.

[Vinny]

Durdin's more of a defender/ruck than a forward though.

Whoops, yeah forgot to mention this.

But doing some reading, seems he is very capable at both ends and more where he is developed when he actually plays AFL will make a big difference to whether he is going to be a permanent forward or defender. I also believe he played forward in the championships.


The McKenzie part didn't copy through Mat so I looked on the site myself.

Reading that profile, he seems a gun! Don't like the Travis Cloke comparison though. :P

http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-profile-reece-mckenzie/

And it also says: ''The Blues have a strong interest in McKenzie, but his 10 goal game may take him from being a late second rounder into a possible top 25 selection.''

[Mat0369]

I didn't copy the McKenzie one, just the Durdin one since I found it funny that it said he needs to find one position after I wrote it  :P

Here is another thing on McKenzie and Lamb

19. Essendon - Reece McKenzie
Northern Knights
Height: 196 cm
Weight: 100 kg
Position: Key forward/ruck
Player comparison: Jonathon Patton
Strengths: Contested marking, work rate, strength
Areas needing improvement: Goal kicking consistency, keeping emotions in check

Son of 1987 Carlton premiership player Warren McKenzie, Reece is an incredibly imposing key forward. He has the ability to win the game off his own boot: however, it depends which McKenzie shows up. His 10 goal TAC Cup game really put him on the map, but for a while recruiters were hoping he'd just go along quietly for a draft day steal. He has high expectations of himself and can get a bit frustrated when things don't go his way, and as a result his goal kicking can be affected. That being said, he will get over that with maturity and his technique when taking set shots is sound. I often see McKenzie at the gym, and he lifts an astounding amount of weight. His body looks like he has had three or four AFL pre-seasons. His body is more than ready to dominate at AFL from day one. He has been interested in body building for a while and played high level basketball as a 17-year-old before coming back to football. McKenzie is a Marcellin College legend, having kicked 10 goals for the A-team as a 16-year-old: his TAC Cup footy proves that wasn't a fluke. His work rate is enormous. He constantly leads up, and often grabs several uncontested marks on the lead inside 50 as a direct result of his repeat efforts and his willingness to get up towards centre half forward. Despite only playing 10 games, McKenzie came second in the league goal kicking with 35 goals. His highlights included 10 against the Ranges, seven against Northern Territory and six against Bendigo. Mckenzie averaged 7.1 marks per game, and 3.7 of those were contested. He is also more than handy in the ruck, having three games with more than 10 hitouts as a pinch hitter. Against the Eastern Ranges, he had the most incredible one goal game I've ever seen. He had kicked four behinds, had nine marks (three of which were contested), 16 disposals and 18 hitouts. He should have been best on ground by a mile, but couldn't kick straight. McKenzie can be frustrating, but his best is incredible.

20. GWS - Tom Lamb
Dandenong Stingrays
Height: 191 cm
Weight: 83 kg
Position: Midfielder/half forward
Player comparison: Jared Brennan
Strengths: Match winner, speed, marking, hitting the scoreboard
Areas needing improvement: Finding a position, consistency

Tom Lamb could be a really damaging player at AFL level, but I fear he will be tagged out of games too easily. He is one of the most potent outside players in this draft and has the ability to win games off his own boot like Petracca. Lamb can kick bags when he wants and his marking when playing up forward can be unstoppable. His speed and athleticism is incredible for someone just under key forward size, and when the ball hits the deck, you better believe that he will crumb like he is Leon Davis. Lamb is freakish at times, but he will need to learn how to impact the game each and every week at senior level. His first two finals were excellent, and he consistently hit the 25 disposal mark in pressure games.

So McKenzie is like a Patton/Levi mould. The AFL site has Lamb listed as 193 and I am hoping he is more Gunston and less Brennan. They have also likened Lamb to Watts and Goddard

[Vinny]

Haha fair enough.

I really like what I am reading from McKenzie and especially the fact there is a realistic chance we could draft him. Hopefully he doesn't get stolen by some other club.

Durdin/McKenzie would be very handy.

Haven't heard anything about Lamb, unlikely he'd slip to our 3rd though right? Seems alright.

[Toga]

Doubt Lamb would slip that far. Was touted as a potential top-20 pick early on but has slipped a bit after not playing any standout games in the champs. Looks like he could be a bit of an X-factor type-player if the team that nabs him gets his development right ;)

[Nige]

Doubt Lamb would slip that far. Was touted as a potential top-20 pick early on but has slipped a bit after not playing any standout games in the champs. Looks like he could be a bit of an X-factor type-player if the team that nabs him gets his development right ;)

Craig posted something about the Hawks having told Lamb they'll take him according to the BigFooty Hawks.

But yeah, he won't slip to Carlton's second.