Carlton H&A Discussion

[kilbluff1985]

no way would they take Waite lol

[shaker]

no way would they take Waite lol

Then pick 6 is it they have nothing else the Swans would be interested in  :P

[Mat0369]

i still think he is better then anyone you will draft with pick 6 and is a perfect replacement for Judd

He and Judd are completely different players. He would effectively be the Brock McLean replacement with a bit more leg pace.

Heaps of early draft picks suffer from injuries for the first couple of years before they come good.

Getting key prospects in the draft is pretty much a guaranteed 2-3 year wait at least before they offer something to the starting 22

These are the key position players on Carlton's list by position and age

Jamo -  Defender - 29 next season
Kreuz - Ruck - 26 next season
Warnock - Ruck - 28 next season
Watson - Defender (although been shifted forward) - 23 next season
Rowe - Utility - 28 next season
Hendo - Forward/Defender - 26 after the season (December birthday)
Giles - Utility - 20 next season
Waite - Forward - 32 next season and potentially gone in FA this year
Everitt - Utility - 26 next season
Levi - Forward/Ruck - 25 next season
White - Defender - 27 next season
Wood - Ruck - 28 next season and rookie listed

So our only key position sized players under 23 are Watson and Giles. We also delisted McInnes which puzzles me. Watson was on the verge of being delisted before he kicked a few goals in the last round which should see him stick around at least 1 more year. Giles is not exactly bulked up and they want to use him as more of a rebounder. Carlton need to draft a Jack Gunston sized forward, a key defender and a ruck this year. It allows them to mature while guys like Walker/Hendo/Jamo/Rowe play out their careers and we can plug in a replacement down the track. In a year deep on key position stocks we would be stupid to chase another mid and trade away a pick which can set up our future. We need to figure out a way to keep pick 6 if we are going to chase him and I can't see Sydney giving him up for less unless they want to chase Ryder/Frawley and need to clear cap space.

Then pick 6 is it they have nothing else the Swans would be interested in  :P

Kreuz, but we can't afford to give him up unless we chase Ryder and we don't have the money. Carlton supporters saw what a mess our ruck stocks were without Kreuz. There is no way we can risk giving him up

[Vinny]

Kreuzer has to stay. We have no other AFL standard ruckmen and it kills us.

I really really want Mitchell but also want a good KPP.

Why don't we go after Membrey?

1.88cm and 87 kg.

I'd like to keep Pick 6 too but we have no other players that teams want that'd we'd give up. Hopefully Swans want Robbo but I doubt it.

[kilbluff1985]

1st and 2nd rounder

for

Titch and Membrey

would be good for you guys

Swans fans have said they wont get a 1st rounder for Membrey since he not in best 22

[Mat0369]

Pass on Membrey. It has Jesse White written all over it. Plus when I saw him play earlier this year I wasn't overly impressed and wouldn't want to be giving up a 2nd round pick for him.

Pretty much our needs as a I see them in order

Tall 3rd forward - Gunston is the perfect example of this, 190+ cm's and causes matchup issues on the ground and in the air.

Key defender - Jamo up there in age and not a hell of a lot behind him and Rowe

Back up ruck - When Kreuz goes down I am sick of seeing Warnock/Wood out there. We need another option. We can either develop a kid that we draft or maybe go out and get someone like Gorringe who is young and looking for opportunities.

Medium forward/mid - Someone that can play both positions naturally, we are trying this with Bell/McLean/Cripps but they are bulls and don't have the tricks to play up forward. Luke Parker is the guy I think of at AFL level but Kane Lambert is someone running around in the VFL that does this perfectly. Robbo is a guy we try and do this with, he also looks gone so a replacement is needed

Small forward - if we lose Garlett I put this here. We need someone to fill this role and back up Menz and Ellard. Being honest, Ellard is not a great forward and it is not his natural position, we need someone to push him out. This has gone from being a huge strength to a huge hole.

Outside midfielder - Buckley is a guy we want to fill this role but we may need him as a rebounding half back. Simmo is pushing 30 and we lack pace on the outside.

Small/rebounding defender - we need another rebounder and a lock down guy. Sheehan could develop into a handy player with Giles and Zach, we also have Byrne we are trying to develop but another guy to add to the list will be handy.

Obviously I don't expect us to go out and get all these guys in one draft, but over a 3 year period we need to stock up in these positions. I really like the idea of Lambert/Marcon/Saad in the rookie draft and then we take as many 18/19 year olds as possible in the regular draft.

[Vinny]

Agree with pretty much everything Mat, but reckon Membrey might be worth the punt with our 3rd rounder but looks like we won't chase him. Also reports of Titch staying at Sydney apparently. :(



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JQJl138fU

4.42

Yaz and Robbo tips for BNF. :P

[Mat0369]

Is it just me or does Menzel look really dopey in his interview?

[elephants]

Yaz and Robbo tips for BNF. :P

The bromance is strong :P

[Vinny]

Tom Mitchell staying at Sydney. :'(

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tom-mitchell-wants-to-stay-in-sydney-turning-down-a-lucrative-advance-from-carlton/story-fn69a32t-1227071911983

[Mat0369]

He isn't worth pick 6, let's just hope we don't overpay for another player like Higgins

[Vinny]

Fingers crossed, Higgins goes to North. But now who do we go after?

[tbagrocks]

He isn't worth pick 6, let's just hope we don't overpay for another player like Higgins

Tom Mitchell isn't worth #6

Man that is just crazy, if Mick could give up that pick for Titch he'd do it in a heart beat

[Nige]

Fingers crossed, Higgins goes to North. But now who do we go after?

Liam Jones.  ;)

[shaker]

Think the Blues should hit the draft and forget about older players