Carlton H&A Discussion

[Vinny]

That just makes it worse. We just lost a player for nothing. :'(

If we lose Garlett and Robinson for nothing too..

[Mat0369]

I wasn't expecting compo. Again, this situation could have been solved very easily, give him 2 years instead of 1. He wanted the security of a 2nd year and it his age I can't blame him. North were willing to offer it and he took the deal. He loves the club, it is a club he has family history with his dad having played here (although he never got a chance to watch him being to young). It is just painful to see this happen. The fact we are going to have to trade for Tutt and Liam Jones and lose Robbo, Waite and Garlett for nothing is just ridiculousl. Not even the fact that Kane Lucas will not be at Carlton next year is enough to salvage this.

[SydneyRox]

That just makes it worse. We just lost a player for nothing. :'(

when we lose Garlett and Robinson for nothing too..

seems a bit bad luck and a decent share of bad management

[Mat0369]

At the moment in terms of the poor management stakes the order is like this

Essendon
Carlton
and then the rest

You can't announce you are going to delist a player then put them up for trade. What team in their right mind is going to trade for them when they can pick them up as a delisted FA?

[Ziplock]

The contract he was offered at carlton must have been a pittance as well.

[elephants]

So with the Blues being named as Jaksch's preferred destination, where do you blues supporters see him fitting into your line-up? Key forward or key back?

[_wato]

So with the Blues being named as Jaksch's preferred destination, where do you blues supporters see him fitting into your line-up? Key forward or key back?

Not a Carlton supporter but it would have to be in defence to help them out (Jamison ageing and battling more injuries), Watson (isn't the greatest defender, let's be honest) and Rowe (Improving every game) and with Jones to replace Waite it allows Jones, Levi and Henderson to be apart of a three big man attack up front, with Henderson becoming the real threat as he gets the third defender every week and can begin to add consistency to his games. (Originally had the third defender but with Waite gone he becomes a priority).

Now all Carlton need is some small forwards and further midfield depth and if I'm completely honest they need to keep both Garlett and Robinson depsite the off field issues, and if they were to leave it could leave a gaping hole in the forward line which Fev created after Carlton decided to get rid of him. (Set them back years and he is still a very good footballer today).

Any thoughts differ from this??

[Mat0369]

It depends on how they draft and if they do recruit the spud Jones.

Our key backs will be Jamo, Rowe and White. Forwards will be Hendo, Levi and the super spud in Jones. Watson will possibly play forward next year, he spent the majority of his time their in the 2nd half of the season in the VFL. He will be looked at as depth but if he plays he and Hendo swing between back and forward. If we go key forward in the draft then you develop Jaksch as a defender, if you pick up a defender you develop him as a forward. Hendo plays both ends of the field brilliantly so he can swing.

Ideally my back 6 and forward 6 will look like this (assuming Robo and Jeffy go and they get Jaksch and Jones)

Tuohy Jamo Rowe
Yaz Hendo Sheehan

Walker Levi drafted key forward
Menz Jaksch drafted crumbing forward

White on the bench as he can pinch hit both ends, Buckley will hopefully move into the guts this year to provide some more pace

I still want to draft a key position player at both ends in the draft, 1 in the first and another in the 2nd round. If you want to let them both develop in the VFL a year you play Watson/Jones as the 3rd forward and it works. The more versatility in the team the better

[Vinny]

I think I'd prefer Henderson up forward and Jaksch down back. Jones may have been a spud as the number one forward but he may benefit from being the third tall, we'll see.

Really hope we can get Jaksch without losing Pick 6 and then grab Sam Durdin or Reece McKenzie with Pick 7.

[Mat0369]

I don't think we have anything that GWS will want for Jaksch. He isn't worth pick 6, but our 2nd round pick won't get it done. GWS were looking to move up to 1 in the draft, if that is true you could see the Giants pick packaged with Jaksch for 1 and the Saints 3rd/4th rounder. 

Also Jones is a spud as any number forward. He has had maybe one good game over his career. He was also never their number 1. Teams put more work into Campbell, Dixon, Crameri, Stringer and Spindleshanks when they played with Jones. The all would have been the 'number 1' ahead of him. I see it as a depth move more then anything in case Hendo/Levi get injured.

With Hendo the issue is we don't know where his best position is because he has dominated for periods at both ends. Obviously a key forward is harder to come by then a key defender, but I think we may look at using him as a swing man based on matchups, injuries and the form of those around him. This draft period will also go a long way to determine where we play him. If we draft a defender he plays forward and swings into defense, if we go with a forward he starts as a defender and swings forward.

[Vinny]

Mm, yeah will be very interesting.

What does the rest of your 22 look like after that fwd and back 6. How you gonna fit Dochery, Everitt, Cripps, Bu

FB: Tuohy Jamo Rowe
HB: Yaz Hendo Sheehan
C:
HF:Walker Levi drafted key forward
FF: Menz Jaksch drafted crumbing forward
Fol:

I/C:

Just off the top of my head:

FB: Rowe Jamison Tuohy
HB: Docherty, Jaksch, Yarran
C:   Simpson, Gibbs, Judd.
HF: Walker, Casboult, Durdin/Jones.
FF:  Menzel, Henderson, Daisy.
Fol: Kreuzer, Murphy, Bell.

I/C: Curnow, Everitt & 2 of Sheehan/Cripps/Graham/Buckley/McLean/Carrots

[Mat0369]

We need multiple players to rotate off the flanks and through the guts. That is where guys like Docherty fit in. While Sheehan has been good at the back end of last year, if we don't elevate him I will expect him to keep developing in the VFL which is where someone like Everitt gets his spot.

It also depends on if we keep the sub rule or not. Teams might start carrying 2 rucks again if the sub rule is abolished. This might see a Kreuz/Warnock combo and used to greater effect.

[Vinny]

I am pretty confident the sub rule will stay.

There was an article early where the players asked for the sub rule to be abolished but the AFL said if the sub rule goes, the interchange cap would have to be reduced to and the player don't want that.

[kilbluff1985]

3AW or someone reported it was gone but never really confirmed

[Mat0369]

I think players rather 4 on the bench and capped rotations compared to 3 and a sub.