Carlton H&A Discussion

Mat0369 · June 10, 2014, 12:52:05 AM

The only way Kreuz is put on the trade table is if it nets us a key forward. It would be nice if Warnock had trade value because he is another one they could look at shipping out instead. The GWS/Suns are the clubs to look at, both have young key position stocks which have already had development time put into them. They are more likely to make an immediate impact since they big guys take longer to develop. Hendo will be our FF of the future, Levi will be the 3rd tall/resting ruck and we just need someone to put into the forward 50 with them. Rowe has developed well down back, if the Head or McInnes can get some form they could form a good trio of tall defenders with Jamo. Carlton are lacking a small defender that is lockdown. Tuohy has gone backwards, Yaz plays more as a utility but we need him for his rebounding, same with Buckley. If we can get someone in a Nick Smith style that just shuts guys down and nothing more that would be a big addition. They have stocked up on young mids as well so they are sort of ok there, no game breakers but it depends on how you go about rebuilding. I would still like KPP's this year and then mids next year since it doesn't take as long for them to develop.

Cameron is the guy that intrigues me, if he wants to come to Victoria you throw everything at him, but like dickheads they signed Daisy to 700k and stuffed themselves in terms of being able to throw cash at him

kilbluff1985 · June 10, 2014, 01:32:31 AM

i don't think it's that hard to find a Steven Morris or Baguley type a bit more mature for a lock down in defense role just have to look around

Mat0369 · June 10, 2014, 01:46:20 AM

Well Tuohy was sort of that guy but has been in horrid form for the majority of the season. He looks pretty slow, but he was a guy that could do a lockdown role while also having a really nice kicking action for an Irish bloke

Vinny · June 10, 2014, 05:31:24 PM

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-06-10/demons-are-closer-to-a-flag-than-carlton

Demons are closer to a flag than Carlton

Lyon and Barrett say Dees youngsters have them more advanced than Blues.

flower off.

GoLions · June 10, 2014, 05:37:05 PM

Yeah I disagree. I think they're the same along with every other club outside the top 4 that isn't Gold Coast

Vinny · June 10, 2014, 05:40:49 PM

Yep agreed, a lot of the clubs seem to be overrating where they are at.

Like Carlton have been shower, but we should have beat Geelong on the weekend.

Dees have lifted but no way.

GoLions · June 10, 2014, 05:42:27 PM

Yeah I think next 2 years will be won by Hawks/Swans/Freo/Port
Then after that think the Suns are a chance at 2 in a row
Then probably GWS
Then who knows after that. Lions could be up there :)

Vinny · June 10, 2014, 05:46:56 PM

I agree, Swan, Freo & Port will dominate for a while.

Hawks will be strong for two more years I think.

Suns are on fire, in terms of improvement. Like the way Collingwood are going about it right now too. Both teams' young talent is stepping up BIG time.

I don't rate GWS to be honest.

We both need a key forward before becoming stronger. Hope we get Patton but don't wanna give up much. Maybe when you overpay for him and he gets homesick in a couple years, we will jump on ;)

Mat0369 · June 10, 2014, 05:47:13 PM

It's because the Dees have a better coach Vinny :-X

Vinny · June 10, 2014, 05:49:25 PM

Quote from: Mat0369 on June 10, 2014, 05:47:13 PM
It's because the Dees have a better coach Vinny :-X

Haha true, one that is more open to change at least.

Master Q · June 10, 2014, 06:06:53 PM

I'm actually tired of all the Melbourne talk. They've won 3 games FFS. They kicked 3 goals against Collingwood...

Carlton have been playing like crap but our list isn't crap. As shown by our performance on Friday... the media has jumped on the Melbourne bandwagon along with their fans who haven't been to a game in the last 10 years.

Vince, Tyson, Viney, Cross and Nathan Jones. Future premiership midfield alright!

Mat0369 · June 10, 2014, 06:18:57 PM

It is also because Melbourne are conceding 40 points less a game on average compared to last year and even though they only kicked 3 they held Collingwood to 61. The media are getting behind them because they were in the same position we were at the end of 07, getting belted every week and no one turning up. We do have a better placed list, but Melbourne are looking good down the track in 4 years time compared to holy crap they are a basket case. They have gone from no light at the end of the tunnel to pushing Port and being competitive against Collingwood. You look at the expectations of both clubs, the media and a lot of Carlton supporters expected finals, at Melbourne they were thinking bottom 2. Rightly or wrongly, the media will be on our back about our performances, but the Melbourne coaching staff deserve a lot of credit for doing what they have done. Guys like Vince, Cross, Pederson, Jetta, Dunn and Bail who's careers looked dead or heading that way (might be harsh on Bernie) have had really good seasons and are starting to get the best out of themselves. Jones has stepped up, Tyson has been really good for the majority of the season and they still haven't had their prized recruit in Hogan play a game yet.

Back to Carlton, I am hoping Curnow can play VFL this weekend, he was a test last week but he didn't play. I am also curious to see if Buckley is listed on the injury report, the kid is a gun, hopefully he hasn't done any serious damage to his hand.

Mailman the 2nd · June 10, 2014, 06:22:14 PM

This might be seen as a very unpopular opinion here, but I agree with the statement that Melbourne will win a Premiership before Carlton will.

Does Carlton have a better list at the moment? Yes.
Will they in 4-5 years time? Don't think so.

Paul Roos has cut 30 points off the losing margin to a club that was considered a joke even as recent as round 3 this year. He's done that in less than half a season of football.

What has Malthouse done? Nothing really if you want to be completely cruel. He's admitted that Carlton are a long way from being serious competitors, but he's done nothing about it.

In fact, if I was going to be completely honest, going off the results this season so far Melbourne are probably at the same strength as Carlton

Master Q · June 10, 2014, 06:39:55 PM

I just feel like Melbourne have made some short cuts. Port have some really talented young players, Wines, Wingard, the list goes on.

Viney is great. But who else? Tyson is good but I don't see him being elite. Cross has one year left I think, iirc Vince is 28. They lost Mitch Clark. Jamar is 30. Grimes has been ok this year.

What elite talent do they have coming through?

Vinny · June 10, 2014, 06:43:22 PM

Think Tyson can be elite, not sure about Viney. He goes hard but don't think he will be a superstar.

I really rate Nathan Jones and IMO he is already elite. Has killed it consistently in a team that has been consistently terrible and he is still killing it now whilst Dees are doing well.

But yeah other than that nah.