Marc Murphy vs Dale Thomas

[DTCoach]

If he was having trouble kicking 30m he wouldnt be playing. it was obviously just a shank and maybe nerves for 1st game for new club, etc and blaming that on his ankle would be making too much of his injury (although Eddie would have you believe he is ruined at every opportunity last night!)

Sure say he cant kick over 50m or something like where if he had lost some distance could still be considered fit to play. If he lost the ability to kick 30m he would have not progressed past (or even into) full training as it would mean he isnt anywhere near fit- im sure he has kicked that distance hundreds of times this pre season

[jamfrank]

If he was having trouble kicking 30m he wouldnt be playing. it was obviously just a shank and maybe nerves for 1st game for new club, etc and blaming that on his ankle would be making too much of his injury (although Eddie would have you believe he is ruined at every opportunity last night!)

Sure say he cant kick over 50m or something like where if he had lost some distance could still be considered fit to play. If he lost the ability to kick 30m he would have not progressed past (or even into) full training as it would mean he isnt anywhere near fit- im sure he has kicked that distance hundreds of times this pre season

You might be right. But also the stresses on the body that result from a real afl premiership game cannot be simulated in training. Harder running is required and sharper turns -  could be putting stress on his injury that he hasn't experienced yet.

[powersuperkents]

slightly off topic, but is it just me or do carlton look like structureless clueless rabble everytime they play?

worse than nab auskick out there last night ... don't think they ever strung a number of possessions together, all their players just bomb the ball forward, their time in possession must be lowest in afl surely

hahaha same here man, they have talented plays but no chemistry whatsoever. Probably the worst combination of players in a team. Don't get me wrong like I said the players are good but as team mates they are just incompatible

Gibbs and Kreuzer are two of the worst no. 1 draft picks in history, although Gibbs is still significantly better than Kreuzer. I think Gibbs will leave to -most likely- the Crows come season's end and that will help his output or see him continue to fall. Kreuzer is just horrible, Watts is probably better than he is. However Murphy has arguably been a great no.1 draft pick

[pommyadam]

honestly Daisy looked a little underdone - will probably be better once he builds up his fitness (they don't play for 2 weeks, so there's plenty of time), maybe an Intraclub next week
Murphy went off at the start of Q4 to get back treatment (maybe just a spasm) so he's not 100% either

as for Carlton, they resorted to long-bombs when they weren't getting anywhere in Q2, so there's partially method to that
their forward pressure lacks, and they were pretty poor in front of goal
will score a LOT of points quickly, but will also bleed them (like in Q4 when they didn't turn up)

I think they're underdone, hopefully the fitness improves (and the DT scores)

[blues boy]

honestly Daisy looked a little underdone - will probably be better once he builds up his fitness (they don't play for 2 weeks, so there's plenty of time), maybe an Intraclub next week
Murphy went off at the start of Q4 to get back treatment (maybe just a spasm) so he's not 100% either

as for Carlton, they resorted to long-bombs when they weren't getting anywhere in Q2, so there's partially method to that
their forward pressure lacks, and they were pretty poor in front of goal
will score a LOT of points quickly, but will also bleed them (like in Q4 when they didn't turn up)

I think they're underdone, hopefully the fitness improves (and the DT scores)

Hats off to this comment Pommy!
The blues had something like 30+ players who had surgery in the off season, more then any other club by a long shot. We are underdone no doubt about that and as Mick said last night its going to take a few games for a lot of players to get match fitness. Only 4 or 5 players played all 3 practice matches before round 1 which is no where near ideal.

Having said that from a blues supporter that doesn't mean a 4th quarter fade out is acceptable by any stretch of the imagination and its the games like those which carlton need to win if they are to finish top 8 this year

[powersuperkents]

honestly Daisy looked a little underdone - will probably be better once he builds up his fitness (they don't play for 2 weeks, so there's plenty of time), maybe an Intraclub next week
Murphy went off at the start of Q4 to get back treatment (maybe just a spasm) so he's not 100% either

as for Carlton, they resorted to long-bombs when they weren't getting anywhere in Q2, so there's partially method to that
their forward pressure lacks, and they were pretty poor in front of goal
will score a LOT of points quickly, but will also bleed them (like in Q4 when they didn't turn up)

I think they're underdone, hopefully the fitness improves (and the DT scores)

Hats off to this comment Pommy!
The blues had something like 30+ players who had surgery in the off season, more then any other club by a long shot. We are underdone no doubt about that and as Mick said last night its going to take a few games for a lot of players to get match fitness. Only 4 or 5 players played all 3 practice matches before round 1 which is no where near ideal.

Having said that from a blues supporter that doesn't mean a 4th quarter fade out is acceptable by any stretch of the imagination and its the games like those which carlton need to win if they are to finish top 8 this year

They also faded out against the Crows which is an adverse result to the Richmond match in the finals where they came-back and outscored them to win.

[DT Gun]

Carlton just have no good Key position forwards and it throws their structure out.

Waite is very hit and miss and they will need the likes of gibbs, mclean, murphy, judd, garlett to kick winning scores and its just not gonna work

Also they dont have great key backs either

[blues boy]

slightly off topic, but is it just me or do carlton look like structureless clueless rabble everytime they play?

worse than nab auskick out there last night ... don't think they ever strung a number of possessions together, all their players just bomb the ball forward, their time in possession must be lowest in afl surely

hahaha same here man, they have talented plays but no chemistry whatsoever. Probably the worst combination of players in a team. Don't get me wrong like I said the players are good but as team mates they are just incompatible

Gibbs and Kreuzer are two of the worst no. 1 draft picks in history, although Gibbs is still significantly better than Kreuzer. I think Gibbs will leave to -most likely- the Crows come season's end and that will help his output or see him continue to fall. Kreuzer is just horrible, Watts is probably better than he is. However Murphy has arguably been a great no.1 draft pick

Surely you can't say Gibbs is worse then Watts and Josh Fraser to name a couple. Not really sure what Gibbs has to do to get critics off his back

[powersuperkents]

slightly off topic, but is it just me or do carlton look like structureless clueless rabble everytime they play?

worse than nab auskick out there last night ... don't think they ever strung a number of possessions together, all their players just bomb the ball forward, their time in possession must be lowest in afl surely

hahaha same here man, they have talented plays but no chemistry whatsoever. Probably the worst combination of players in a team. Don't get me wrong like I said the players are good but as team mates they are just incompatible

Gibbs and Kreuzer are two of the worst no. 1 draft picks in history, although Gibbs is still significantly better than Kreuzer. I think Gibbs will leave to -most likely- the Crows come season's end and that will help his output or see him continue to fall. Kreuzer is just horrible, Watts is probably better than he is. However Murphy has arguably been a great no.1 draft pick

Surely you can't say Gibbs is worse then Watts and Josh Fraser to name a couple. Not really sure what Gibbs has to do to get critics off his back

hahaha Gibbs is a lot better than Watts hahaha however Kreuzer isn't. He was drafted as a ruck and yet he can't play the position. Kreuzer is the worst no.1 draft pick in history hahahahahaha. I don't see how Josh Fraser is bad, he was one of the best ruckmen during my childhood and played for a while (not Dean Cox standard but still good). Critics do tend to denigrate Gibbs but that is because the team needs a scapegoat. This is a side that should've made GF or Preliminary Finals at the least from 2008-2011 (don't know exactly when). I will give them Fev's departure as a valid excuse but in 09 I was expecting this team to be comprised of future premiers and a stable top 4 side. Therefore it's only natural for everyone to target the noticeable guy with the most perceived responsibility and Gibbs is the middle no. 1, Marc is a gun & captain, no one knows Kreuzer was even a no. 1 pick and Gibbs is a marketable player and it seems he hasn't yet found a position to call his own. I don't think he'll stay next year tbh but he is criticized unfairly. I think he should be a top 10 but he was probably selected in a bad year (I don't know what that makes Kruezer hahahaha).

Seriously though as a Blues supporter what are your thought on Kruezer? Honest thoughts as well. As I port supporter I can't stand Butcher (complete waste of a no. 8 pick). What do you think about the ruck man who can only play as a forward (a goalless forward might I add)?  :)

[Ziplock]

At this stage Watts would be the worst no.1 pick so far.

[blues boy]

slightly off topic, but is it just me or do carlton look like structureless clueless rabble everytime they play?

worse than nab auskick out there last night ... don't think they ever strung a number of possessions together, all their players just bomb the ball forward, their time in possession must be lowest in afl surely

hahaha same here man, they have talented plays but no chemistry whatsoever. Probably the worst combination of players in a team. Don't get me wrong like I said the players are good but as team mates they are just incompatible

Gibbs and Kreuzer are two of the worst no. 1 draft picks in history, although Gibbs is still significantly better than Kreuzer. I think Gibbs will leave to -most likely- the Crows come season's end and that will help his output or see him continue to fall. Kreuzer is just horrible, Watts is probably better than he is. However Murphy has arguably been a great no.1 draft pick

Surely you can't say Gibbs is worse then Watts and Josh Fraser to name a couple. Not really sure what Gibbs has to do to get critics off his back

hahaha Gibbs is a lot better than Watts hahaha however Kreuzer isn't. He was drafted as a ruck and yet he can't play the position. Kreuzer is the worst no.1 draft pick in history hahahahahaha. I don't see how Josh Fraser is bad, he was one of the best ruckmen during my childhood and played for a while (not Dean Cox standard but still good). Critics do tend to denigrate Gibbs but that is because the team needs a scapegoat. This is a side that should've made GF or Preliminary Finals at the least from 2008-2011 (don't know exactly when). I will give them Fev's departure as a valid excuse but in 09 I was expecting this team to be comprised of future premiers and a stable top 4 side. Therefore it's only natural for everyone to target the noticeable guy with the most perceived responsibility and Gibbs is the middle no. 1, Marc is a gun & captain, no one knows Kreuzer was even a no. 1 pick and Gibbs is a marketable player and it seems he hasn't yet found a position to call his own. I don't think he'll stay next year tbh but he is criticized unfairly. I think he should be a top 10 but he was probably selected in a bad year (I don't know what that makes Kruezer hahahaha).

Seriously though as a Blues supporter what are your thought on Kruezer? Honest thoughts as well. As I port supporter I can't stand Butcher (complete waste of a no. 8 pick). What do you think about the ruck man who can only play as a forward (a goalless forward might I add)?  :)

From a non biased blues supporter, Kreuzer has been a big disappointment so far, no doubt he has shown glimpses of what he is capable of but unfortunately for us blues fans these glimpses are few and far between. Having said that Kreuzer will turn 25 this year and i am hoping that he will follow the trend of most big guys who generally take a couple years longer then others to really start hitting their straps

[DT Gun]

I hate how people compare how good a number 1 draft pick is to a number 50, its all a guess on potential.

Taking a ruck pick 1 is so risky because not only do you know how well they will develop but they wont peak till 27-30

[powersuperkents]

I hate how people compare how good a number 1 draft pick is to a number 50, its all a guess on potential.

Taking a ruck pick 1 is so risky because not only do you know how well they will develop but they wont peak till 27-30

Is that true?

My guess was always that Carlton (or any team) should use a no. 1 draft pick on a ruck man, you can seriously get ready made ruck man in the rookie draft and they're not to important as well. Cox & Sandi are the only real exceptions in my opinion. It's the least important position on ground, I remember players like Cooney, Westhoff and others even filling in when the R1 was tired.

[DT Gun]

A lot of rucks get taken in rookie drafts later on when they develop

Coxy was a rookie
Nic nat was a draft but he is still developing

[powersuperkents]

Back on Daisy, I've contrived 4 options. Daisy-> Shiels, Daisy-> Dunstan, Daisy-> Macrae or find money and go Daisy-> Watson? Which option is the best?