NFL Season 2014/2015

[Jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5yUGyBGulU

[Jukes]

Mota and Winston to be automatic busts

[RiOtChEsS]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2363210-riley-cooper-is-the-featured-athlete-for-black-history-month-in-eagles-calendar?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national?is_shared=true lolz  ;D

[Jukes]

Laughed way too hard at this

[Jay]

[Jukes]

Reminder:
-Played in an era against multiple HoF QBs (like Marino, Elway, Kelly, Moon, as well as a host of others).
-Played against some tremendous defenses (like the Lawrence Taylor led Giants).
-Played in an era before the rule changes in the NFL babied the hell out of the passing game.
-Has a perfect superbowl record: 4-0, 11/0 TD to INT ratio, and 126+ average passer rating.
-His superbowl wins were done in either complete domination (v Elway was 55-3 until a garbage time TD for denver), or by orchestrating his own 90+ yard drives (that he often play called at the line) that culminated in TDs.


-QBs MAKE their offense good. A good QB can be the difference between a super bowl and the first draft pick, like the Colts: 14-2 and 10-6 with Manning in 09 and 10, 2-14 without him in 11, then back up to 11-5 with Luck. Rice wouldn't have had half the success he had without two Hall of Fame quarterbacks (and an MVP in Gannon) throwing it to him.
-And when did the pro bowl actually mean anything? Come back with the amazing performance metrics such as DYOA that you constantly refer to. This year the broncos had over double the Patriots, while the eagles lead the NFC in 2014.
-2011 Colts without Manning: 2-14
-2013 Packers without Rodgers: 2-1-5
-2008 Patriots without Brady: 11-5

[Jay]

HOF QBs? How about his rivalry with Peyton for over a decade? Brady hasnt exactly been going against Joe Webb his whole career..

As for defenses, Brady just beat one of the best ever. None of Montana's SB wins were against as good a D.

You bring up Rice, he probably wouldn't have had as much success without cheating too but that's another story. Would've inflated Montana's stats too.

The Pro-Bowl game itself doesn't mean anything but the players who get in are usually deserving. It's an accurate reflection of a players talent imo. Not like NBA where it's just 100% bandwagon.

Don't think you can criticise Brady for the Pats going 11-5 without him. Those other teams you referred to who spudded without their QB didn't have Belichick coaching..

Lol at bringing up team performance (DVOA), we just won the Super Bowl ffs.

[Jukes]

He played against Delhomme (who?), McNabb (renowned playoff choker), Wilson (who?), Manning x2 (who only ever did anything in those two seasons), and Warner (who had a shower year/game) in owls.

That's true (although Sherman and Thomas and Lane had injuries), but Brady has never put up 55 points (that's 8 offensive touchdowns) in an owl and came off for his backup to have a go, or 38 another time.

"Cheating" I'm sure every player would've done that, it's not like it's punishable or noticeable, and it equalises for the gloves that current receivers have - why I respect Nick O'Leary, FSU product who doesn't use them.

Pro Bowl still bust

I thought you said Brady was the best and it was all him, not Belicheat?

[Mat0369]

Nate Allen just got arrested.

[JBs-Hawks]

Montana and Brady are even atm, one more ring and its Toms!

[Jay]

Montana and Brady are even atm, one more ring and its Toms!

How about two more? ;)

[JBs-Hawks]

Well Im hoping for 5 more :P

[Jukes]

SO I actually did some research and have my top 5 draft QB sleepers (i.e. flower all the other QBs apart from Grayson, Bo and Petty), screencap this post for when they're all pro bowlers. Would take all of these guys over the Heisman winners. It's a good draft, although next year (Cook, Hackenberg, Goff, Kessler, Towles, Hogan, Wittek...) will probably be better.

REAL COUNTDOWN
5. Hutson Mason (Georgia) - has bowl game experience (1 win 1 loss). Started all 13 games in his senior year, throwing at 68% for 2200 yards and 21/4 - very accurate and good mechanics.
4. Grant Hedrick (Boise St) - much like Drew Brees, excellent pocket passer with amazing rates.
3. Chris Bonner (CSU-Pueblo, DII) - guy is 6'7 and has great mechanics, next Tony Romo (DII guy who goes undrafted then is a big success). Manages pressure great (Peyton-like).
2. Dylan Thompson (South Carolina) - has won three bowl games, extremely weird stance, legs extremely spread (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxeP8gLQTqA) but a very talented passer, only started one season but was record-breaking.
1. Mark Myers (John Carroll, DIII) - 6'5, same small school that produced London Fletcher and Don Shula. Makes many plays and reads at an NFL-level. Threw for 22/1 at 70% for 1700 yards in six games, five of which were blowouts that he didn't finish.

[Jay]

Colts the favourites to land Frank Gore

[RiOtChEsS]

Daniel tosh superbowl rant
http://youtu.be/Zw3tyAkGx-s
So good ;D