Lance Franklin - to be or not to be, that is the question !! !!

Mailman the 2nd · February 27, 2014, 11:55:49 PM

If you thought that Reid and Goodes were going to steal his points then you wouldn't be caring about this game anyway but most people seem to have back-flipped after seeing Franklin play for the first time.

Half the swans line-up wasn't even there. (including Goodes and Tippett) It was more like a team you'd see at a intra club match.

If you didn't have him in your team prior that's fine, but switching after tonight is a pretty dumb move

quinny88 · February 27, 2014, 11:58:55 PM

Hit the nail on the head Mailman!

Im not saying you have to get Buddy. He's certainly not a lock for everyone and I completely understand why. But if your reason for that is because he didnt star in a nab challenge game then you are going about it the wrong way

RaisyDaisy · February 28, 2014, 12:04:29 AM

Quote from: quinny88 on February 27, 2014, 11:39:23 PM
How long have you been playing SC? seriously every single year these threads get made and every single year they are wrong when the season starts. This time last year everyone took Goldy out of their rucks and put Currie in because of Nab form.. Look how that turned out ::)
There was just as many superstars in hawthorn as there are in Sydney. I am 100% certain buddy will score more than 90. More likely to score 100-110.
The last game buddy played was infront of 100,000 people in a premiership win. Now its his first game back, wet weather, meaningless nab challenge in front of a handful of people in blacktown.. Who in their right mind would expect him to be firing on all cylinders for that?

Deep breathes Quinny. And I've been playing for 4-5 years now FYI

I think you need to re-read my post - I said that odds are in his favour to average above 90, but to simply at least consider the change in team dynamics for Buddy for now

I've had Buddy in and out of my team, and tonights performance has zero influence on my decision. I mean, seriously, I have been in this caper long enough, but sometimes you need to be able to step back and look at things from a different perspective

I think its healthy to discuss the possibilities, and take everything into consideration - as opposed to just saying "his a premium and will always average 100+"

Theres every chance that is right, but it doesn't mean it might not be in the future

RaisyDaisy · February 28, 2014, 12:13:49 AM

And I just mentioned he scored 23 because it wasn't said yet. I'll admit I should have elaborated on that, saying that it doesn't mean a thing, and it was a crappy night at a bodgy ground. I was simply advising of his score, and didn't intend on it meaning we shouldn't pick him etc

quinny88 · February 28, 2014, 12:22:28 AM

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2014, 12:04:29 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 27, 2014, 11:39:23 PM
How long have you been playing SC? seriously every single year these threads get made and every single year they are wrong when the season starts. This time last year everyone took Goldy out of their rucks and put Currie in because of Nab form.. Look how that turned out ::)
There was just as many superstars in hawthorn as there are in Sydney. I am 100% certain buddy will score more than 90. More likely to score 100-110.
The last game buddy played was infront of 100,000 people in a premiership win. Now its his first game back, wet weather, meaningless nab challenge in front of a handful of people in blacktown.. Who in their right mind would expect him to be firing on all cylinders for that?

Deep breathes Quinny. And I've been playing for 4-5 years now FYI

I think you need to re-read my post - I said that odds are in his favour to average above 90, but to simply at least consider the change in team dynamics for Buddy for now

I've had Buddy in and out of my team, and tonights performance has zero influence on my decision. I mean, seriously, I have been in this caper long enough, but sometimes you need to be able to step back and look at things from a different perspective

I think its healthy to discuss the possibilities, and take everything into consideration - as opposed to just saying "his a premium and will always average 100+"

Theres every chance that is right, but it doesn't mean it might not be in the future

Dont have a problem with that at all my friend. I just find it bewildering that people are STILL questioning premiums due to nab challenge games. If he had of kicked 5 and scored 120 there would be a thread full of people saying what a lock he is.

Have these same discussions every year and im yet to see a premium turn to crap after a bad nab cup game.

Like I said, im happy for people to question Buddy at a new club etc and weather he will have a good season but when people start basing that assumption on nab cup games then they have gone off track.

The way I see it..
If you have doubts or a bad feeling about a premium player, dont pick them.. Even if they dominate the nab cup.
If you have had a premium player in your team for months expecting them to star and they stink up the Nab .. Still get them!
Nab challenge for gun players = another training drill leading into the season proper

Dayze · February 28, 2014, 01:24:22 AM

U always get fired up on this quinny haha. It is true. This issue really seperates a descent SCer from the masses who are very fickle.
People are swayed so easily. I sometimes hope my unique premiums like cotchin perform poorly to keep people away.

But this is a bit different. This is the biggest player transfer in the time SC has been around and this is our first view of how he will fit in.
He is still in my team, but this game worried me a tiny bit. Next game with all the swans guns back will b important in my decision

GCSkiwi · February 28, 2014, 05:15:39 AM

Quote from: Dayze on February 28, 2014, 01:24:22 AM
But this is a bit different. This is the biggest player transfer in the time SC has been around and this is our first view of how he will fit in.
He is still in my team, but this game worried me a tiny bit. Next game with all the swans guns back will b important in my decision

I think this is important for 2 reasons
1) Biggest player transfer means Buddy has something to prove, that he was worth it.
2) All the Swans guns - they were missing half the crowd of elite mid fielders. This is a big part of me reason for picking buddy, the fact that he's going to be fed ball be arguably the best mid group in the comp. So I'm reading nothing into him not scoring well when they're not picked in the team, I thought he might turn to crap this game for exactly that reason... KJack, McVeigh and JPK back into that lineup could make a world of difference for a KP forward...

Sabretooth Tigers · February 28, 2014, 05:21:13 AM

::)
The question I was interested in " is this a regular performance for the NAB for Buddy ?? In other words " does Buddy usually perform to this standard during pre-season "didn't have any idea of the conditions. Thanks guys, and he hasn't moved one "bees dick out of my team" Cheesrs. :)

RaisyDaisy · February 28, 2014, 07:56:49 AM

Quinny - I agree 100% with what you have just said mate, and If I had of simply elaborated a bit more in my initial post then we wouldn't even be having the NAB premo discussion :) A premo is a premo, period, and NAB means nothing and only a novice would be influenced by NAB performances BUT my concerns with Buddy are around exactly the sort of things Bully, Dayze and Kiwi have bought up

Dayze and Kiwi - you guys are what I was talking about - this is the biggest transfer in the game, Buddy has a lot to prove and this is something you all need to at least consider too; Hawthorn is a team that is extremely balanced in terms of SC scoring, Buddy was their highest score most years and only guys like Mitchell would score similar, their SC scores are evenly distributed on most occasions, BUT Sydney on the other hand, these guys have a bunch of players who regularly go huge in SC. Add in Buddy and I don't care how much premiums are there, the points are going to be distributed more, and THIS is a concern I have for Buddy pushing a 100+ avg.

No doubt what so ever Bud is premo, and can push 100+ easily, but theres being capable of it, and then actually doing it, and with so much premo SC scores in Sydney already, somebody/s scoring is going to take a hit, and with the likes of Tippet being just as much a focus upfront and Buddy, coupled with so many mids who score well, this is why I think we simply cannot assume Bud will go 100+

Sabre - There is no accurate history line. In previous NAB years he has put up similar scores to last night, and pumped out 120+

GCSkiwi · February 28, 2014, 08:55:57 AM

Yeah understand your concerns RD, just think at that price there is only room to go up. He'll at worst hold his price and maybe I'll end up trading him.

Not so worried about the greater spread of points tbh, think it will become like a Collingwood situation - you've got Pendles, Swan, Beams, Sidey, Cloke all capable of racking up big numbers. They won't all do it in the same game usually but over the year it usually gets spread around a fair bit. I'm not expecting buddy to go 110+ but an av of 100 I'd be happy with. Tippet doesn't worry me, Buddy is a class above him. The midfield is where the points will be shared around, but there's no reason 5 players in a side can't ton up - just it's unlikely to happen every week.

ben_020285 · February 28, 2014, 09:29:01 AM

To be honest I'm just too scared to not start him and miss out on the 150 + points that he scores first up against GWS!

djtranny · February 28, 2014, 09:57:43 AM

Quote from: ben_020285 on February 28, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
To be honest I'm just too scared to not start him and miss out on the 150 + points that he scores first up against GWS!

His last two scores against GWS were 107 & 109 and off the top of my head he never did that well against GC either, so nothing to suggest he will go 150+ against GWS other than we know he's capable against any team on any given day!

sammy123 · February 28, 2014, 10:29:19 AM

Seeing as though sydney fielded a 2nd team and got smashed im not surprised at that score. But come round 1 full strength squad he should go off

GCSkiwi · February 28, 2014, 10:41:27 AM

I think if you're selecting buddy you just need to be realistic about what you expect... He's priced at 90 after a bad season, but equally he's not going to go back to the 115 of the previous year. In the last 6 years he's averaged 19 matches at 103ppg, if he can do that I'm happy. If you're expecting 120ppg, prepare to be disappointed...

ben_020285 · February 28, 2014, 10:51:31 AM

Quote from: GCSkiwi on February 28, 2014, 10:41:27 AM
I think if you're selecting buddy you just need to be realistic about what you expect... He's priced at 90 after a bad season, but equally he's not going to go back to the 115 of the previous year. In the last 6 years he's averaged 19 matches at 103ppg, if he can do that I'm happy. If you're expecting 120ppg, prepare to be disappointed...

I agree with this and it should also be noted that 22 games from Buddy is very unlikely too. If it isn't injury then it will be a suspension. In the last 4 seasons the most games he has managed for the one year is 19. That's a minimum of 3 games missed every year.

He has a dodgy knee now too that will plague him for the rest of his career.

This is a tough decision.