F2 options other than martin

Started by #1 Stkilda, February 17, 2014, 04:30:28 PM

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My Chumps

Quote from: tor01doc on February 17, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on February 17, 2014, 06:02:12 PM
Wouldnt go for harvey only cause I cant see him improving, can see him being a top 7-8 fwd but more an upgrade.

Seriously consider Roughead/Cloke, both number 1 fwds with good mids feeding them the ball, both will enjoy more freedom allowed in marking contests. Wingard worth a look, though could see him levelling off for a year before really stepping up to elite category. Along with buddy, though id have danger, buddy and one of the above 3.

Can't see how Buddy going will free Roughead up. He'll get the best defender now.

Cloke - always promises so much but his yips from 30 to 45 m out kill him.

Also, Harvey - can get tagged out of games and score really low ones.

NRoo - St Kilda will be lucky to win 5 again so - no.

Martin will see a lot of the ball and should score pretty well. Is he worth the money? For me, a top 6 forward almost certainly, so yes.
Tor's summed up the situation pretty well.

Martin also has the biggest scope for improvement. We know he can potentially become a 115-120 player, whereas Roughy's coming off a career best season and Harvey + Reiwoldt are only going to plateau or go backwards.

H1bb3i2d

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Tor's summed up the situation pretty well.

Martin also has the biggest scope for improvement. We know he can potentially become a 115-120 player, whereas Roughy's coming off a career best season and Harvey + Reiwoldt are only going to plateau or go backwards.

Dreaming.

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Tor's summed up the situation pretty well.

Martin also has the biggest scope for improvement. We know he can potentially become a 115-120 player, whereas Roughy's coming off a career best season and Harvey + Reiwoldt are only going to plateau or go backwards.

Averaged 101 3 years ago, and a career best 103 2 years ago. 98 last year, and will definitely be around the 100 mark, IMO so will Martin. Currently have Dusty myself, but strongly considering Roughy instead

My Chumps

Quote from: H1bb3i2d on February 17, 2014, 09:01:03 PM
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Tor's summed up the situation pretty well.

Martin also has the biggest scope for improvement. We know he can potentially become a 115-120 player, whereas Roughy's coming off a career best season and Harvey + Reiwoldt are only going to plateau or go backwards.

Dreaming.

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Tor's summed up the situation pretty well.

Martin also has the biggest scope for improvement. We know he can potentially become a 115-120 player, whereas Roughy's coming off a career best season and Harvey + Reiwoldt are only going to plateau or go backwards.

Averaged 101 3 years ago, and a career best 103 2 years ago. 98 last year, and will definitely be around the 100 mark, IMO so will Martin. Currently have Dusty myself, but strongly considering Roughy instead
Eventually Dusty will become that type of player. Let's not forget he's only 22 and is already averaging 100+ with a tank most rookies wouldn't be proud of.

Career best season not SC wise but football wise. Won the coleman and got a career high 13 brownlow votes, 6 more than his previous high.

He won't play ruck at all this season either, which is where he seems to score best, with the inclusion of McEvoy and Hale still (presumably) playing. He'll be deeper forward and will now cop the #1 defender with Buddy gone. Don't know why you would even consider Roughy over Martin.

H1bb3i2d

Quote from: My Chumps on February 17, 2014, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on February 17, 2014, 09:01:03 PM
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Tor's summed up the situation pretty well.

Martin also has the biggest scope for improvement. We know he can potentially become a 115-120 player, whereas Roughy's coming off a career best season and Harvey + Reiwoldt are only going to plateau or go backwards.

Dreaming.

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Tor's summed up the situation pretty well.

Martin also has the biggest scope for improvement. We know he can potentially become a 115-120 player, whereas Roughy's coming off a career best season and Harvey + Reiwoldt are only going to plateau or go backwards.

Averaged 101 3 years ago, and a career best 103 2 years ago. 98 last year, and will definitely be around the 100 mark, IMO so will Martin. Currently have Dusty myself, but strongly considering Roughy instead
Eventually Dusty will become that type of player. Let's not forget he's only 22 and is already averaging 100+ with a tank most rookies wouldn't be proud of.

Career best season not SC wise but football wise. Won the coleman and got a career high 13 brownlow votes, 6 more than his previous high.

He won't play ruck at all this season either, which is where he seems to score best, with the inclusion of McEvoy and Hale still (presumably) playing. He'll be deeper forward and will now cop the #1 defender with Buddy gone. Don't know why you would even consider Roughy over Martin.

Reckon he'll peak around the 110 mark personally, but we're all just guessing and it's not relevant anyway.

I don't think Buddy gone will effect Roughy too much, he's shown he has a pretty neat track record without him (don't have the numbers on me), and he's had his fair share of no. 1 defenders over the years (Buddy's never really been the 'Full Forward' type).
I'm with you on not having any time in the ruck, but he's still a quality player who'll be around the top 8 forward mark. Martin is a safe bet for top 6 though, so it'll be hard to leave him out. It would only be if I look like having too many round 8 forwards (Danger, Caddy, Hawkins, Fasolo, B Kennedy even). That'll just depend on the quality of the rookies that play, because I may end up a little desperate for a few of these guys.

Mat0369

There is a guy called Chad Wingard. He seems alright

tor01doc

Not rated on FF for some reason.

Lack of exposure and tbag doesn't rate Port players.

Dayze

Quote from: tor01doc on February 18, 2014, 01:18:57 AM
Not rated on FF for some reason.

Lack of exposure and tbag doesn't rate Port players.
So many examples of this type of year after breakout player letting us down.
Heaps of reasons why people are staying away from him which I completely understand.... But there is something about him.
Could drop back into the 80s or could seriously push up to 110. I honestly think he is that good.
I see him as differently to any other forward.

roti

Can see Chad going either way this year, not going to start with him but if he gets going like I think he could he will be my first upgrade in the forward line.

LF

Quote from: tor01doc on February 18, 2014, 01:18:57 AM
Not rated on FF for some reason.

Lack of exposure and tbag doesn't rate Port players.

Is that a joke?
Because  tbag absolutely loves Wingard

tor01doc


Peter

Roughy moves around though, so won't always have best def

Grufflez

Attitude ...tried to leave tigers in the off season and i don't reckon that would have gone down well with the club..
expect another 100 ish season from him which is acceptable ..haven't people learnt that natural talent will only get you so far,
the rest comes down to hard work and a good attitude..dusty is over rated.

rider

well said, attitude and positional change is what is making it a wait and see upgrade target for me... I'm going light on in the fwds with so many value/breakout picks to choose from (Buddy, Caddy, Darling, Higgins, Fasolo) and not so much improvement expected from dangerfield, dusty, roo, harvey . I think if you want proven premos that will be keepers look to the midfield.

Pkbaldy

Quote from: tor01doc on February 17, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on February 17, 2014, 06:02:12 PM
Wouldnt go for harvey only cause I cant see him improving, can see him being a top 7-8 fwd but more an upgrade.

Seriously consider Roughead/Cloke, both number 1 fwds with good mids feeding them the ball, both will enjoy more freedom allowed in marking contests. Wingard worth a look, though could see him levelling off for a year before really stepping up to elite category. Along with buddy, though id have danger, buddy and one of the above 3.

Can't see how Buddy going will free Roughead up. He'll get the best defender now.

Cloke - always promises so much but his yips from 30 to 45 m out kill him.

Also, Harvey - can get tagged out of games and score really low ones.

NRoo - St Kilda will be lucky to win 5 again so - no.

Martin will see a lot of the ball and should score pretty well. Is he worth the money? For me, a top 6 forward almost certainly, so yes.

So?? We only won 5 last year. And he plays a lot further up the ground now and still runs on to kick goals. He will still finish top 10 forwards this year.

Pkbaldy

Quote from: Pkbaldy on February 18, 2014, 03:11:42 PM
Quote from: tor01doc on February 17, 2014, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: dmac07 on February 17, 2014, 06:02:12 PM
Wouldnt go for harvey only cause I cant see him improving, can see him being a top 7-8 fwd but more an upgrade.

Seriously consider Roughead/Cloke, both number 1 fwds with good mids feeding them the ball, both will enjoy more freedom allowed in marking contests. Wingard worth a look, though could see him levelling off for a year before really stepping up to elite category. Along with buddy, though id have danger, buddy and one of the above 3.

Can't see how Buddy going will free Roughead up. He'll get the best defender now.

Cloke - always promises so much but his yips from 30 to 45 m out kill him.

Also, Harvey - can get tagged out of games and score really low ones.

NRoo - St Kilda will be lucky to win 5 again so - no.

Martin will see a lot of the ball and should score pretty well. Is he worth the money? For me, a top 6 forward almost certainly, so yes.

So?? We only won 5 last year? Which automatically assumes he will go worse this year?. And he plays a lot further up the ground now and still runs on to kick goals. He will still finish top 10 forwards this year.