big ben

[ben_020285]

I don't see how them being both rucks is any more or less relevant as being 2 players anywhere else on the field... It's still just 2 players... if you take 2 round 9 bye rucks and 4 round 8 bye mids, it's no different to 2 round 8/2 round9 bye mids and 2 wound 8 bye rucks... still 4 out in round 8 and 2 out in round 9...

What have you got as back up in the rucks though if both your premo rucks aren't playing? It's looking very unlikely that any rookie rucks are going to get a run this year. Maybe Nankervis but that's a big maybe. So no rucks means 4 unavailable players in your team already.

At least with the other positions on the field it is likely you will have players to back up the ones that are missing during their bye round. I won't be having 3 or more keepers from the same bye round in my DEF, MID or FWD either so I can give myself the best chance at having maximum premiums playing and a minimum of 18 playing too.

Fielding a whole lot of rookies or fielding 17 players or less during any of the bye rounds will put you out of contention for overall.

[GCSkiwi]

I don't see how them being both rucks is any more or less relevant as being 2 players anywhere else on the field... It's still just 2 players... if you take 2 round 9 bye rucks and 4 round 8 bye mids, it's no different to 2 round 8/2 round9 bye mids and 2 wound 8 bye rucks... still 4 out in round 8 and 2 out in round 9...

What have you got as back up in the rucks though if both your premo rucks aren't playing? It's looking very unlikely that any rookie rucks are going to get a run this year. Maybe Nankervis but that's a big maybe. So no rucks means 4 unavailable players in your team already.

At least with the other positions on the field it is likely you will have players to back up the ones that are missing during their bye round. I won't be having 3 or more keepers from the same bye round in my DEF, MID or FWD either so I can give myself the best chance at having maximum premiums playing and a minimum of 18 playing too.

Fielding a whole lot of rookies or fielding 17 players or less during any of the bye rounds will put you out of contention for overall.

You say that like Rucks are special in some way though... you don't need ruck backup if you're fielding 18 players elsewhere... Any bench players are always dead weight regardless of their bye round. If you have 2 bench rucks who aren't playing plus a round 8 bye ruck and a round 9 bye ruck, that's 3 players out round 8 and 3 players out round 9, 2 players out round 10... Total 8 out over 3 rounds. If both rucks have a round 9 bye, you have 2 out round 8, 4 out round 9, 2 out round 10, the total is still 8 over three rounds. If you're making up for those players in the midfield, forward or defense, it doesn't matter... Yes if you can load up on rookies from round 9 and 10 and trade them during the byes you can come out better off, but your starting prem keepers are always going to have a bye, you're not going to avoid that. What you can avoid is having too many in the same round. But if all my D/M/F players are all round 8/10 bye players, then it doesn't make a lick of difference if my 2 rucks are round 9 bye players, does it?

[kilbluff1985]

yeah either way your going to get 2 games out of each ruck during the byes doesn't really matter when as long as your aware of it with picking the rest of the team

[ben_020285]

yeah either way your going to get 2 games out of each ruck during the byes doesn't really matter when as long as your aware of it with picking the rest of the team

Round 8: Nic Nat and Sandi
Round 9: Dixon and Sandi
Round 10: Dixon and Nic Nat

[kilbluff1985]

yeah either way your going to get 2 games out of each ruck during the byes doesn't really matter when as long as your aware of it with picking the rest of the team

Round 8: Nic Nat and Sandi
Round 9: Dixon and Sandi
Round 10: Dixon and Nic Nat

we were talking about the rucks in bye rounds not anything about the benefits of DPP

and i'm not going with Sandi

[ben_020285]

yeah either way your going to get 2 games out of each ruck during the byes doesn't really matter when as long as your aware of it with picking the rest of the team

Round 8: Nic Nat and Sandi
Round 9: Dixon and Sandi
Round 10: Dixon and Nic Nat

we were talking about the rucks in bye rounds not anything about the benefits of DPP

and i'm not going with Sandi

Well you stated you were getting 2 games from each of your 2 rucks over the byes and I was just saying that by not going with 2 rucks from the same bye I will be able to have 2 rucks available for all 3 of the bye rounds. Even with Dixon you won't be able to have 2 rucks available for all 3 bye rounds.

[GCSkiwi]

So, assumingyou have Thurlow as a DPP ruck, you swap Dixon from your forwards to your rucks and you have a forward out instead? What's your point?

[ben_020285]

So, assumingyou have Thurlow as a DPP ruck, you swap Dixon from your forwards to your rucks and you have a forward out instead? What's your point?

My point is that having 2 rucks from the same bye is fraught with danger.

[_wato]

So, assumingyou have Thurlow as a DPP ruck, you swap Dixon from your forwards to your rucks and you have a forward out instead? What's your point?

Yeah great point. I understand completely where Ben is coming from and I agree on both sides of the argument also. Dixon won't be a top 6 forward or a top 2 ruck so really the only reason you have him is because of the DPP and around bye time?
You put Thurlow forward and it means you have 3-4 mid price/rookies playing instead of 2-3 depending on structure.
You will cop a donut regardless across both lines because face it, you won't use all three trades up front in Round 9 after Round 8 but more so in the mids where you'll throw everything at picking up either Ablett or Pendlebury in most cases. So you can't use the fact that you'll trade in a Round 8 player because forwards won't be your target when trading. It's inevitable that either way it won't matter.

[ben_020285]

So, assumingyou have Thurlow as a DPP ruck, you swap Dixon from your forwards to your rucks and you have a forward out instead? What's your point?

Yeah great point. I understand completely where Ben is coming from and I agree on both sides of the argument also. Dixon won't be a top 6 forward or a top 2 ruck so really the only reason you have him is because of the DPP and around bye time?
You put Thurlow forward and it means you have 3-4 mid price/rookies playing instead of 2-3 depending on structure.
You will cop a donut regardless across both lines because face it, you won't use all three trades up front in Round 9 after Round 8 but more so in the mids where you'll throw everything at picking up either Ablett or Pendlebury in most cases. So you can't use the fact that you'll trade in a Round 8 player because forwards won't be your target when trading. It's inevitable that either way it won't matter.

Cheers Wato. Good to know that you can see where we're all coming from.

I guess what I'm saying is that to give yourself the best chance at the byes then it's best to have as a maximum 2 prems unavailable in DEF, MID and FWD and 1 unavailable in RUC for every bye.

You never know how many other players will be unavailable during the byes so if you can setup your side as best as possible for the byes at the start of the season then that should hold you in good stead for the nightmare that is round 8, 9 and 10.

[cortez]

So what we are basically saying is go Mcevoy/ Sandi over Mcevoy/ NicNat cause west coast and Hawthorn share a bye :)

[kilbluff1985]

i know what you guys are saying just don't agree

[Grufflez]

The thing that interests me the most about McEvoy is how his attitude and work ethic may lift now that he is in a team seriously contesting for another flag.
I sometimes wonder how these ''good''players feel about playing for a team they know will never get a flag during their career at that club,sure the true professionals get on with the job (Gazza) wink wink but not all blokes can keep up their best work year in year out in a losing team.

Nab cup performance aside,i think Big Benny may be in for a good year..watching closely.. NicNat/McEvoy/Lobbe/Jacobs.

Obviously talking about McEvoys last few seasons.

[GCSkiwi]

So, assumingyou have Thurlow as a DPP ruck, you swap Dixon from your forwards to your rucks and you have a forward out instead? What's your point?

Yeah great point. I understand completely where Ben is coming from and I agree on both sides of the argument also. Dixon won't be a top 6 forward or a top 2 ruck so really the only reason you have him is because of the DPP and around bye time?
You put Thurlow forward and it means you have 3-4 mid price/rookies playing instead of 2-3 depending on structure.
You will cop a donut regardless across both lines because face it, you won't use all three trades up front in Round 9 after Round 8 but more so in the mids where you'll throw everything at picking up either Ablett or Pendlebury in most cases. So you can't use the fact that you'll trade in a Round 8 player because forwards won't be your target when trading. It's inevitable that either way it won't matter.

Cheers Wato. Good to know that you can see where we're all coming from.

I guess what I'm saying is that to give yourself the best chance at the byes then it's best to have as a maximum 2 prems unavailable in DEF, MID and FWD and 1 unavailable in RUC for every bye.

You never know how many other players will be unavailable during the byes so if you can setup your side as best as possible for the byes at the start of the season then that should hold you in good stead for the nightmare that is round 8, 9 and 10.

Ben I can see where you're coming from I just don't understand why you're hung up on positions? You're saying "to give yourself the best chance at the byes then it's best to have as a maximum 2 prems unavailable in DEF, MID and FWD and 1 unavailable in RUC for every bye" - why do the positions matter? If one round I have only 1 prem out from D/M/F and 2 out in Rucks, it's the same thing, no? So I would rather structure a team where I can maximise my points each round, I'm not planning to have an even spread across my positions because I know my mids will be light in round 8. That means in rounds 9 and 10 my mids are strong, I can afford to have no rucks round 9. I think you're worrying way too much about what positions are playing, and forgetting that it's the 18 highest scorers who count regardless of where they are. Yes, it's absolutely a problem if you have say all your midfielders out one round and you have guys on the D/F bench who are playing but you can't get them on field, I'm totally aware of that. But I'm not going to sweat bullets about having 2 rucks out in round 9 when I don't have too many others out.

Anyway, bit of a cyclic discussion, we've all got our strategies and we can use them however we like.