Grundilands

[tor01doc]

I don't think anyone on here intends to pick Grundy as a keeper, it's just that he is guaranteed to play as #1 ruck, and is underpriced. Hopefullly he has a good run early and makes us some money.  For me he will feature in my first ugrade/downgrade trade pair if all goes to plan. Sandi will get a fairly big say in this (at least his "turf toe" does anyway!)

For me, I can't see why anyone is considering Longer.  There's a bloke called Hickey who already has that #1 ruck slot.

This and if Grundy scores a pessimistic 85 (courtesy quinny88) then $100K plus and time to gauge which premium ruck is firing whilst saving $200K elsewhere and making say Clinton Jones / Danny Stanley / Brandon Ellis into Joel Selwood to start with.

Maths tells me Goldy/Minson + Ellis/Jones/Stanley = Selwood/Grundy. Grundy is not a bad selection looking at it this way.

The extra points made on other lines will more than adequately compensate for Grundy and especially Sandilands.

Just wish HMc was fit too!

[Hagebear]

To be fair Grundy could be a really good stepping stone to a Premo ruck, Goldy, Nic Nat, Minson etc. He'll score solidly without being amazing while making a bit of coin. I don't think many who are going with the 'Grundilands' combo are planning to keep Grundy all year. Am sure he'll definitely make money. Will it be enough to justify a selection? That's up to u. Personally will be going with either Grundy or H-Mac come round 1 purely as a stepping stone.

[Ricochet]

Here are my thoughts on Grundy.

- Grundy: Relying on a 2nd year player to pump out premo numbers is just too much to ask. Especially when most ruckmen aren't AFL ready until 22+. Yes they will back him in at the Pies most the year but the value just isn't there. In his debut year he only went over 76 once and will need to average 87+ to make 100k and be a viable pick. I can't see that happening especially early on when Collingwood face Freo, Sydney, Geelong in the first three rounds. No doubt he will be a star one day but he is cheap for a reason.

[Bully]

Agree with Rico, Grundy may make 100k but Naitanui or Lobbe may also make 100k, the only difference being those two are possible keepers, hence no trades required. The other issue with Grundy is his round 8 bye, not an ideal situation when trying to co-ordinate one's upgrades. 

[Grufflez]

As mentioned..you go Grundy and spend that extra money wisely in other areas.

people saying Sandi is a proven scorer need to consider some things

yes he was 2 tears ago but for the last 2 years he has been riddled with injuries and is 2 years older

not only that they will manage him to get him through to the finals subbing him off early any chance they get they do have Clarke and eventually Griffin they don't need to risk Sandi

sure he might make it to the bye rounds but sub affected i think will average like 80-85

Agree with this completely,and it is looking more and more like a hope/pray situation that i will not gamble on.

[Bully]

Clarke is coming back from injury, I can't see him playing first ruck from the get go. With Freo's tough early draw, I'm sure Lyon will be very keen to have his best 22 on the park, that means Sandi will almost certainly be getting some early game time.

In any event, if Sandi does get rested, I'll push the Dixon emergency switch.

[Slightly01]

My only worry with Grundy/Sandi is that I think it forces you to pick Dixon.
Not sure I want him tbh.........

[Bully]

My only worry with Grundy/Sandi is that I think it forces you to pick Dixon.
Not sure I want him tbh.........

don't have to pick Dixon from the outset, just be prepared to trade him in at quick notice.

[Grufflez]

My only worry with Grundy/Sandi is that I think it forces you to pick Dixon.
Not sure I want him tbh.........

haha it kinda does doesn't it 8)

[My Chumps]

Sorry if it may have looked like i was saying that sandi was a bad pick..i have him in R2 but with a proven premo in nic nat as R2 :)

But that's pretty damn risky too mate. Nic Nat doesn't exactly have a spotless track record when it comes to injuries.

The rucks are a real pain this year. Goldstein + Minson (Cox too, except age is a put off) are the only durable premiums you'd want, but they cost the equivalent of a Cotchin, Selwood, Watson or Rockliff, and I know I'd prefer the midfield strength.

Nic Nat, Kreuzer and Luenberger should improve immensely, but all have prior injury concerns that leave me a bit nervous to pick them. Add that to the fact that no ruck rookies are looking likely to start and it could result in a few doughnuts throughout the season which should be avoided at all costs.

Annnnd, to make matters worse, Nic Nat, Cox, Kreuzer, McEvoy and Big Will share the same bye round. Ouch.

[jfitty]

I'd just like to chime in with my thoughts on the Grundy/Sandilands combination.

It's something that's worth considering IMO, especially if you can use the cash you save to add an extra premium to your team somewhere else on the field.

Just looking through the list of premium rucks, it's so hard to choose the perfect R1 (assuming Sandilands is your R2 either way)

Minson and Goldstein are both very expensive. Minson has a tough draw in the early rounds and may not follow up last year as strongly. Goldstein may be forced to ruck alongside someone else.

Cox should still be around the 100 average, but is a bit overpriced for what he will produce. Naitanui's fitness is a big question mark.

Kreuzer, Maric and Leuenberger all have some form of past injury concerns (Berger not so much), plus will most likely share the ruck duties with Warnock, Hampson and West respectively.

McEvoy and Mumford are both at new clubs, where anything could happen.

Ryder and Lobbe are both in good situations and should ruck alone, but picking them as your R1 could be quite risky.

Could the Grundilands combination be the answer to the uncertainty of rucks this year? Obviously it means you will need to upgrade both at some stage, but assuming they COULD average 80-90 (Sandilands more likely to than Grundy) maybe this is the way to go. At least to get an idea of who the top few rucks will be.

You can also use the cash saved to turn a Suckling/Thomas into a premium, thus meaning there are no 'extra' upgrades to be made.

I've given this waaaaaaaay too much thought  :o

[Bully]

I've gone through a few permutations and the money can definitely be put to good use. By going Grundilands I'm able to bring in Luke Parker into the forwards and push Pav down to F5. These are very bankable points too, Parker has a nice early draw and plays in round 8 & 9.

[eaglesman]

I've gone through a few permutations and the money can definitely be put to good use. By going Grundilands I'm able to bring in Luke Parker into the forwards and push Pav down to F5. These are very bankable points too, Parker has a nice early draw and plays in round 8 & 9.

by picking parker are u not picking buddy?

[eaglesman]

I really think grundy is worth a punt and it will absolutely drive me nuts if I miss out on all the potential money he could make this year

in saying that I am leaning to selecting Lobbe, Mcevoy or Nic Nat and if grundy fires downgrading to get him in pending on the form of my selected ruckman ...

Note: I have grundy selected right now but have the cash to upgrade to any of these rucks

[Bully]

I've gone through a few permutations and the money can definitely be put to good use. By going Grundilands I'm able to bring in Luke Parker into the forwards and push Pav down to F5. These are very bankable points too, Parker has a nice early draw and plays in round 8 & 9.

by picking parker are u not picking buddy?

Picking both, forwards are - Danger, Martin, Franklin, Parker, Pavlich, Kennedy-Harris