AXVS: 2014 Long-Term Injury List

[Memphistopheles]

Can we put a player on the LTI list if their AFL Club hasn't?

I know both Kreuzer and Gumbleton are going to miss a fair chunk of the season but it seems neither Carlton and Freo have wanted to upgrade someone from the rookie list so haven't bothered to put either on their LTI list.

It's alright at the moment as I don't have any playing rookies but if Wood gets elevated I think I should be able to upgrade him given the above. And also the whole Garlett quitting situation. Would be a shame if I had to play an OOP player just because AFL clubs hadn't put guys out for ages on their LTI list.

[JBs-Hawks]

Well i think if Wood gets upgraded it will be for Kreuzer ;)

[Noz]

You can't upgrade for Kruzer, Gumby or Dayle Garlett because if a player is not on an AFL clubs LTI theres no reason he should be on yours.

[BB67th]

You can't upgrade for Kruzer, Gumby or Dayle Garlett because if a player is not on an AFL clubs LTI theres no reason he should be on yours.

This is our rule. When a player goes on an AFL LTI, they can go on yours. The only exception to this is if a club has said they will put a player on their LTI soon, but are deciding who to upgrade for them.

Also, in future, could you please include a link to an article or club statement showing that the player has been placed on the LTI when you make an upgrade.

[Adamant]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/west-coast-defender-beau-waters-to-undergo-careerthreatening-shoulder-surgery/story-fniv6fhh-1226874694597

Bangladesh would like to upgrade Ben Griffiths to the senior list in place of Beau Waters.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/injury-news/injury-list

[Memphistopheles]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/west-coast-defender-beau-waters-to-undergo-careerthreatening-shoulder-surgery/story-fniv6fhh-1226874694597

Bangladesh would like to upgrade Ben Griffiths to the senior list in place of Beau Waters.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/injury-news/injury-list

But, in this case Beau Waters IS NOT listed with a * which means he's not on the Eagles LTI list so you can't upgrade Griffiths for him. Even though Waters is out for the season.

I personally think this rule needs a revisit. Should be if a player is listed as being out for a certain amount of time or not (say 8 weeks or more) then we should be able to place them on the LTI list.

[JBs-Hawks]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/west-coast-defender-beau-waters-to-undergo-careerthreatening-shoulder-surgery/story-fniv6fhh-1226874694597

Bangladesh would like to upgrade Ben Griffiths to the senior list in place of Beau Waters.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/injury-news/injury-list

But, in this case Beau Waters IS NOT listed with a * which means he's not on the Eagles LTI list so you can't upgrade Griffiths for him. Even though Waters is out for the season.

I personally think this rule needs a revisit. Should be if a player is listed as being out for a certain amount of time or not (say 8 weeks or more) then we should be able to place them on the LTI list.

Yea i agree and if they come back sooner you cant play them until the minimum 8 weeks is up

[Noz]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/west-coast-defender-beau-waters-to-undergo-careerthreatening-shoulder-surgery/story-fniv6fhh-1226874694597

Bangladesh would like to upgrade Ben Griffiths to the senior list in place of Beau Waters.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/injury-news/injury-list

But, in this case Beau Waters IS NOT listed with a * which means he's not on the Eagles LTI list so you can't upgrade Griffiths for him. Even though Waters is out for the season.

I personally think this rule needs a revisit. Should be if a player is listed as being out for a certain amount of time or not (say 8 weeks or more) then we should be able to place them on the LTI list.

Yea i agree and if they come back sooner you cant play them until the minimum 8 weeks is up

No. Just follow the rules its fine as it is.

[JBs-Hawks]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/west-coast-defender-beau-waters-to-undergo-careerthreatening-shoulder-surgery/story-fniv6fhh-1226874694597

Bangladesh would like to upgrade Ben Griffiths to the senior list in place of Beau Waters.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/injury-news/injury-list

But, in this case Beau Waters IS NOT listed with a * which means he's not on the Eagles LTI list so you can't upgrade Griffiths for him. Even though Waters is out for the season.

I personally think this rule needs a revisit. Should be if a player is listed as being out for a certain amount of time or not (say 8 weeks or more) then we should be able to place them on the LTI list.

Yea i agree and if they come back sooner you cant play them until the minimum 8 weeks is up

No. Just follow the rules its fine as it is.

And rules can be changed and frequently over the off-seasons.

[Noz]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/west-coast-defender-beau-waters-to-undergo-careerthreatening-shoulder-surgery/story-fniv6fhh-1226874694597

Bangladesh would like to upgrade Ben Griffiths to the senior list in place of Beau Waters.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/injury-news/injury-list

But, in this case Beau Waters IS NOT listed with a * which means he's not on the Eagles LTI list so you can't upgrade Griffiths for him. Even though Waters is out for the season.

I personally think this rule needs a revisit. Should be if a player is listed as being out for a certain amount of time or not (say 8 weeks or more) then we should be able to place them on the LTI list.

Yea i agree and if they come back sooner you cant play them until the minimum 8 weeks is up

No. Just follow the rules its fine as it is.

And rules can be changed and frequently over the off-seasons.

Whats the point of changing this rule?

Its not that hard to follow once an AFL club puts a player on the long term injury list then you can do the same. Waters and Kruezer will be put on the LTI but these sort of things don't exactly happen over night they have to lodge the paperwork into the AFL, The AFL approves it and sends it back. It hasn't even been a week with these 2 players.

[Memphistopheles]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/west-coast-defender-beau-waters-to-undergo-careerthreatening-shoulder-surgery/story-fniv6fhh-1226874694597

Bangladesh would like to upgrade Ben Griffiths to the senior list in place of Beau Waters.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/injury-news/injury-list

But, in this case Beau Waters IS NOT listed with a * which means he's not on the Eagles LTI list so you can't upgrade Griffiths for him. Even though Waters is out for the season.

I personally think this rule needs a revisit. Should be if a player is listed as being out for a certain amount of time or not (say 8 weeks or more) then we should be able to place them on the LTI list.

Yea i agree and if they come back sooner you cant play them until the minimum 8 weeks is up

No. Just follow the rules its fine as it is.

And rules can be changed and frequently over the off-seasons.

Whats the point of changing this rule?

Its not that hard to follow once an AFL club puts a player on the long term injury list then you can do the same. Waters and Kruezer will be put on the LTI but these sort of things don't exactly happen over night they have to lodge the paperwork into the AFL, The AFL approves it and sends it back. It hasn't even been a week with these 2 players.

The issue is that clubs DON'T put a player on the LTI list if they don't have a rookie to upgrade which means AXV clubs with players from those clubs suffer.

Fremantle is the prime example. Scott Gumbleton's hamstring injury put him out for at least 8 weeks. I think it might have been more initially but they didn't put him on the LTI list when it is clearly a LTI injury.

But, Freo's rookies are not mature aged players and they had plenty of cover so they didn't bother upgrading anyone. They would rather wait until knowing if they really have to upgrade someone. If not then they probably won't LTI Gumby at all.

Also with Cameron Wood and Carlton. It is likely that the Blues will only upgrade Wood if they need him to play (i.e. something happens to Warnock). Otherwise they will leave him on the rookie list.

I suspect the same will happen with Waters. We have already upgraded Sinclair and the other two players (one is Newman who is not playing this year at all) on our RL are not likely to play at all so the Eagles won't bother putting Beau on the LTI list unless absolutely necessary.

[Toga]

I think with Gumbleton though it's more likely to be they are not sure how long he will be out for rather than there's no one to upgrade.

If he's listed as 8 weeks I'm pretty sure that's like borderline not long enough for an LTI, and regardless if he can come back earlier they don't want him on the LTI and unavailable to play.

[Ricochet]

I think something has to change, just because of the time AFL clubs take to put a player on the LTI list.
Or maybe we look to introduce a rule where 1 rookie can be promoted in the middle of the year, regardless of whether its for an LTI or not. Like in the AFL.

[Nige]

Just quickly, and while it's kinda on-topic... Is there anyone you can see Freo possibly elevating for Gumby, Ric?

[Noz]

Everyone always wants to change the rules to suit themselves better.

Last year a lot of teams where hit with LTI to key players but they didn't argue about a rule change and how it was so unfair.