Brodie Grundy at R2

[smashbox]

Will be collingwoods number 1 ruckman this year after cementing his spot in the back end of 2013. He averaged 75+ in his first few games while having no preseason. He's injury free this year and with the confidence behind him do people think he would be a good R2? For price gain and possibly as a keeper

[GoLions]

IMO there is a 0.01% chance of him being a keeper, which means you're going to have to use at least 1 trade to swap him for a top ruck, but probably 2, as the good rucks tend to stay around the same price all year. He will make you a bit of cash, but I don't think it will be enough. If you want to save cash I think it's better to have someone like Sandi or possibly HMac, but personally I'm going with 2 premium rucks in Leuey and NicNat at this stage.

[dmac07]

http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,89009.0.html bit of a collingwood write up here.

I usually preach a set and forget ruck set up, but I honestly cant find any of the top rucks who have significant upside, with nic nat maybe the exception.. IF he is fit, and we hear a different story on that every day. So im seriously considering a sandi/grundy combo.

[Bully]

If I go the Hmac & Sandi combo, Grundy will be my back-up plan if injury strikes in the early rounds. I think he'll edge up to 450k by season's end.

[quinny88]

I just dont get the Grundy hype at all. Even if he plays as the sole ruckman for the entire season (which he wont because hes a kid and his body wont hold up in that position for the entire season) I still cant see him averaging more than 80-85.
Its not enough. Hmac and Sandi are cheaper and will both push the 100+ mark. Considering you only really want these mid priced guys to last until the byes, youre better off getting the better scoring potential in

[smashbox]

I just dont get the Grundy hype at all. Even if he plays as the sole ruckman for the entire season (which he wont because hes a kid and his body wont hold up in that position for the entire season) I still cant see him averaging more than 80-85.
Its not enough. Hmac and Sandi are cheaper and will both push the 100+ mark. Considering you only really want these mid priced guys to last until the byes, youre better off getting the better scoring potential in

Sandi yes, but how can you saw Hmac will? He's barely played any footy for 3 years and is getting older. Even if his body does hold up i cant really see him being that damaging

[Bully]

I just dont get the Grundy hype at all. Even if he plays as the sole ruckman for the entire season (which he wont because hes a kid and his body wont hold up in that position for the entire season) I still cant see him averaging more than 80-85.
Its not enough. Hmac and Sandi are cheaper and will both push the 100+ mark. Considering you only really want these mid priced guys to last until the byes, youre better off getting the better scoring potential in

Sandi yes, but how can you saw Hmac will? He's barely played any footy for 3 years and is getting older. Even if his body does hold up i cant really see him being that damaging

Rounds 1-7 2012, scores were - 77, 110, 117, 88, 140, 111, 77 (average 102)

[shaker]

I just dont get the Grundy hype at all. Even if he plays as the sole ruckman for the entire season (which he wont because hes a kid and his body wont hold up in that position for the entire season) I still cant see him averaging more than 80-85.
Its not enough. Hmac and Sandi are cheaper and will both push the 100+ mark. Considering you only really want these mid priced guys to last until the byes, youre better off getting the better scoring potential in

Sandi yes, but how can you saw Hmac will? He's barely played any footy for 3 years and is getting older. Even if his body does hold up i cant really see him being that damaging

Rounds 1-7 2012, scores were - 77, 110, 117, 88, 140, 111, 77 (average 102)

I think I would go with Grundy at No 2 over Sandi or H mac at the moment at least you no he will do the bulk of the ruckwork as for the other two don't know how they are going to be used so would wait till NAB cup and if they do not play significant time in NAB will steer clear just feel  Sandi will be managed heavily and H mac would just have to see how he goes under real round 1 pressure footy

[Bully]

I just dont get the Grundy hype at all. Even if he plays as the sole ruckman for the entire season (which he wont because hes a kid and his body wont hold up in that position for the entire season) I still cant see him averaging more than 80-85.
Its not enough. Hmac and Sandi are cheaper and will both push the 100+ mark. Considering you only really want these mid priced guys to last until the byes, youre better off getting the better scoring potential in

Sandi yes, but how can you saw Hmac will? He's barely played any footy for 3 years and is getting older. Even if his body does hold up i cant really see him being that damaging

Rounds 1-7 2012, scores were - 77, 110, 117, 88, 140, 111, 77 (average 102)

I think I would go with Grundy at No 2 over Sandi or H mac at the moment at least you no he will do the bulk of the ruckwork as for the other two don't know how they are going to be used so would wait till NAB cup and if they do not play significant time in NAB will steer clear just feel  Sandi will be managed heavily and H mac would just have to see how he goes under real round 1 pressure footy

Sandi was one of Freo's stalwarts in the finals. Supercoach average of 114 and 44 hit outs in the Grand Final. Based on that one would expect some early game time.

[PICCOLLO]

I think he's a decent prospect.
With such a miserly cap this year and rookies being overpriced, the game has changed.
You also have to consider the lack off ruck/fwds this year and possibility of needing 3 playing ruckman to negate byes and injury.
Im considering him.  It will allow me to fill holes elsewhere.  He's a top draft pick, being training strongly preseason and proved last year he can get 100s.

[shaker]

I just dont get the Grundy hype at all. Even if he plays as the sole ruckman for the entire season (which he wont because hes a kid and his body wont hold up in that position for the entire season) I still cant see him averaging more than 80-85.
Its not enough. Hmac and Sandi are cheaper and will both push the 100+ mark. Considering you only really want these mid priced guys to last until the byes, youre better off getting the better scoring potential in

Sandi yes, but how can you saw Hmac will? He's barely played any footy for 3 years and is getting older. Even if his body does hold up i cant really see him being that damaging

Rounds 1-7 2012, scores were - 77, 110, 117, 88, 140, 111, 77 (average 102)

I think I would go with Grundy at No 2 over Sandi or H mac at the moment at least you no he will do the bulk of the ruckwork as for the other two don't know how they are going to be used so would wait till NAB cup and if they do not play significant time in NAB will steer clear just feel  Sandi will be managed heavily and H mac would just have to see how he goes under real round 1 pressure footy

Sandi was one of Freo's stalwarts in the finals. Supercoach average of 114 and 44 hit outs in the Grand Final. Based on that one would expect some early game time.

Agree Bully he will get early game time but how much is a worry we have seen Ross Lyon rest most of his good players last year in one game I am sure he is not interested in flogging the guts out Sandi in the first half of the season he will want him when it counts at the end of the season and I expect to see him subbed often maybe with only half a game and to be left at home sometimes when they have to fly east for easier games think his scores in the first half or more of the season to be affected

[Ricochet]

For those considering him what exactly do you expect the kid to average...

[shaker]

For those considering him what exactly do you expect the kid to average...

Don't think you could expect any more than 80 this year but he is a big lump of a lad with another year under his belt who knows he might go higher

[Ricochet]

For those considering him what exactly do you expect the kid to average...

Don't think you could expect any more than 80 this year but he is a big lump of a lad with another year under his belt who knows he might go higher

OK, at an 80ave he is only making you 60-70k while being 30-35 points off the top ruckmen, which is definitely not viable.
For some reason he's quite a popular pick but I'm worried a lot will get burnt relying on this kid in only his second year.

[Bully]

I just dont get the Grundy hype at all. Even if he plays as the sole ruckman for the entire season (which he wont because hes a kid and his body wont hold up in that position for the entire season) I still cant see him averaging more than 80-85.
Its not enough. Hmac and Sandi are cheaper and will both push the 100+ mark. Considering you only really want these mid priced guys to last until the byes, youre better off getting the better scoring potential in

Sandi yes, but how can you saw Hmac will? He's barely played any footy for 3 years and is getting older. Even if his body does hold up i cant really see him being that damaging

Rounds 1-7 2012, scores were - 77, 110, 117, 88, 140, 111, 77 (average 102)

I think I would go with Grundy at No 2 over Sandi or H mac at the moment at least you no he will do the bulk of the ruckwork as for the other two don't know how they are going to be used so would wait till NAB cup and if they do not play significant time in NAB will steer clear just feel  Sandi will be managed heavily and H mac would just have to see how he goes under real round 1 pressure footy

Sandi was one of Freo's stalwarts in the finals. Supercoach average of 114 and 44 hit outs in the Grand Final. Based on that one would expect some early game time.

Agree Bully he will get early game time but how much is a worry we have seen Ross Lyon rest most of his good players last year in one game I am sure he is not interested in flogging the guts out Sandi in the first half of the season he will want him when it counts at the end of the season and I expect to see him subbed often maybe with only half a game and to be left at home sometimes when they have to fly east for easier games think his scores in the first half or more of the season to be affected

Maybe as someone suggested, it's worth having Sandi as R3, one can play the loophole game, save on trades, and have excellent bye coverage. It's a big call given the pressure on other lines but it's something worth considering. Last year's winner put huge emphasis on all loopholes, including bench players.