WXV Discussion

[fanTCfool]

Dropping to 16 teams makes everyone more competitive in theory, but I think you'll always have struggling teams no matter the attempt to regulate competitiveness. Some teams will trade well in hindsight while others set themselves back, let alone the possibility of getting hammered by injury regardless of how good your list looks on paper.

As Nige says, I tend to agree with the notion that struggling teams are simply a part of AFL and keeper leagues alike.

[Holz]

lets instead talk about bringing in a mid season trade period that would be good

right guys?

regarding the Saints if they keep performing like they are now its a simple fix, give them priority pick 2. Meow stuffed this team up with drafting badly to pick 2 would make up for it. The trading was reckless but it was the drafting that killed it.

Add in Walsh, Rozee, Butters over what he picked and this team is fine.

Pick 1,2,19 is more then enough to rebuild a squad with a competent and aggressive coach we saw what Dave was able to do with Karen

[DazBurg]

Could also as concession give church any new players picked up via the rookie rule that isn’t on a list?

Ie gibbons and Lockhart plus couple teams have a spot
If none a former player etc

Good discussion though
And understand why RD is raising the idea

Think I like the way the Como is and rather help church then fold and redraft another 2 teams
Seems to be done every off season
(I know those were 3 redrafted by 3 not merged into other 16 but point of redrafting a lot I mean)

[Holz]

Could also as concession give church any new players picked up via the rookie rule that isn’t on a list?

Ie gibbons and Lockhart plus couple teams have a spot
If none a former player etc

Good discussion though
And understand why RD is raising the idea

Think I like the way the Como is and rather help church then fold and redraft another 2 teams
Seems to be done every off season
(I know those were 3 redrafted by 3 not merged into other 16 but point of redrafting a lot I mean)

id 100% give Church Gibbons and Lockhart right now

[RaisyDaisy]

Good idea Daz

Gibbons, Lockart and Stack should go onto the Church list right now

God knows they have the cap space :P

Priority pick so 1, 2 and 19 should do the job as well

[Nige]

It's always worth mentioning that there are several coaches who suddenly decide that they "can't compete" or are gonna "rebuild". At the end of the day, while it's obvious and realistic that not every team can and/or will be competitive every season, this is still a conscious choice that means the comp never will be even anyway.

If every team is hypothetically getting one 'best XV player' then how does that really help a team that's already struggling? It's not like there's gonna be a drastic difference between the best and 16th best player, and depending on how people draft (and people make some real odd decisions), players 'slip' or 'go too early' as a result. If anything, it's probably helping the rich get richer and doing nothing to equalise.

lets instead talk about bringing in a mid season trade period that would be good

right guys?

You're not fooling anyone in this being purely fuelled by self-interest haha.

we saw what Dave was able to do with Karen

Excuse me?  :P

Also, I don't think giving the 'leftover' SSP players to Christchurch now is really much of a solution. None are exactly guaranteed permanent fixtures in their side or fantastic scorers (don't give me Stack's one game sample as evidence). It's a temporary solution to a larger issue and unfairly (even in these circumstances) gives them first access to players that should be available to everyone.

[Holz]

lets instead talk about bringing in a mid season trade period that would be good

right guys?

You're not fooling anyone in this being purely fuelled by self-interest haha.

lets be fair i have called for this for years and im introducing it in the Euro too.

plus also by mid season i should actually be in ok shape.

[fanTCfool]

Surely a mid-season trading period has to be voted in pre-season  :P

[Holz]

Surely a mid-season trading period has to be voted in pre-season  :P

comp is full of kill joys

if you dont want to trade mid season dont trade mid season. if you want to trade mid season then trade mid season.

it will never get up even though your not forced to trade so no reason to reject it.

[PowerBug]

I guess I'm down for disbanding Church and NY, good idea RD!

[fanTCfool]

Can't just make-up and adjust rules during the course of the season, this isn't the AFL  ;)

[Ringo]

Do not like the idea of a team folding mid season. As has been said earlier even with 16 teams there will always be weaker teams.

What would be the basis for redrafting all the players would list sizes have to increase to accommodate? Bearing in mind that Worlds exhaust all players in the Draft.

Couple of suggestions for improvement:
Limit all teams to 44 players - If player suffers a LTI more than 8 weeks  eg Dunn or retires after start of Season eg Picken Then coaches have the option of replacing from the list of left overs.
During the bye periods have a mid season trade period capped at say 3/4 movements. Know this has been defeated but may be worth consideration again.

[Ricochet]

Feel like I've seen this before...

Fact of the matter is, the Church list is absolutely stuffed - barely scraping over 100 points per week

You can throw picks at them, but this team will be lucky to win a couple of matches over the next couple of years

Start of the 2015/16 trade period

Just looking at that list Rico. Sheeesh, it's going to take years before NDT can be competitive.

I think that needs to be changed. WXV is for fun - it's not real life or anything and being coaches of a team that is poor and barely ever wins shouldn't really exist IMO.

It's going to take years of priority picks to fix that side, and that cant be much fun for Rico and the other coaches who barely ever win a game simply because their lists are so shot

In case anyone forgot...

We made the GF that season

[RaisyDaisy]

No doubt you guys did an amazing job Rico, but I don't think trades like this are going to pass or come up much for the new Church coach

Trade 10
New Delhi Trade: Tom Nicholls, Daniel Gorringe, Keegan Brooksby + Pick 22
Buenos Aires Trade: Mitch Wallis, Matt Crouch + Pick 59

Trade 61
Seoul trade: Jake Lloyd
New Delhi: David Myers

Trade 67
New Delhi trade: Koby Stevens + Jack Trengove
Christchurch trade: Tom $cully + Pick 12

The rebuild process is vastly fastracked when you get trades like this :P

[Ricochet]

No doubt you guys did an amazing job Rico, but I don't think trades like this are going to pass or come up much for the new Church coach

Trade 10
New Delhi Trade: Tom Nicholls, Daniel Gorringe, Keegan Brooksby + Pick 22
Buenos Aires Trade: Mitch Wallis, Matt Crouch + Pick 59

Trade 61
Seoul trade: Jake Lloyd
New Delhi: David Myers

Trade 67
New Delhi trade: Koby Stevens + Jack Trengove
Christchurch trade: Tom $cully + Pick 12

The rebuild process is vastly fastracked when you get trades like this :P

That's hindsight for you...

Back then, Lloyd was a 69ave fwd and Myers had gone 85ave the year before

That was the whole GC ruck line and Nicholls had averaged 91 in his 2nd year, 79 in his 3rd year and just come off 81ave that year.
Matt Crouch was averaging 68

Koby Stevens was an 86ave fwd and Scully had one year over 79 which was 83.



Guaranteed there will be similar trades this year (and every year) that we'll look back in 3-4 years time and think they were just as uneven.