WXV Discussion

[RaisyDaisy]

Like I said in the DPP thread in SC, needs to be 35%+ so he will be Mid only :P

[meow meow]

Do you even watch football Holz? He gets cheap kicks across half back playing as a roaming midfielder. Where players are in relation to the ball at stoppages is the easiest way to predict what positions they get classified as and Dustin is right there at those stoppages every time. There's lots of them in Richmond's back half since they're shower.

[Holz]

Do you even watch football Holz? He gets cheap kicks across half back playing as a roaming midfielder. Where players are in relation to the ball at stoppages is the easiest way to predict what positions they get classified as and Dustin is right there at those stoppages every time. There's lots of them in Richmond's back half since they're shower.

to answer your question not I actually dont watch Richmond games, I havent since last years North v Richmond finals game. Hence why i make a post asking the question if he gets it once i see a heat map that shows him gettting ball in defence.

im fine with him being a mid only, he has been killing it in the guts.

good to know its not where they win the ball and where the line up. That seems stupid to me but if thats the guide line so be it. I personally line up on the wing but get bascially 100% of my ball 75m from goal. I personally call myself a F/M but i guess i would be a mid only.

[RaisyDaisy]

I personally line up on the wing but get bascially 100% of my ball 75m from goal.

LOL, isn't 75 metres from the goal the wing anyway?

[iZander]

Just saw Dustin Martin's heat map, possible D/M?

:P

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-26/the-stats-files-is-dustin-martin-doing-enough-damage

Heat maps have nothing to do with positions haha

[Holz]

I personally line up on the wing but get bascially 100% of my ball 75m from goal.

LOL, isn't 75 metres from the goal the wing anyway?

nah where i line up is around 80m. 75m is just before the centre bounce.

[Holz]

Just saw Dustin Martin's heat map, possible D/M?

:P

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-26/the-stats-files-is-dustin-martin-doing-enough-damage

Heat maps have nothing to do with positions haha

If this is true i have been misinformed. This is what i read.

There are a range of factors that go into making the decision to upgrade a player. The major ones being;

Where players get their possessions. This can be highlighted by heat maps (which the regular Joe punter can find via the ‘coach’ section of the AFL Live app if you have purchased the season pass) which show hot spots for disposals and also the percentages in forward and defensive halves. Darker areas on heatmaps show more traffic for possessions.

Which zones they get their touches. Like the above dot point, these are broken down into forward 50, defensive 50, midfield zone, forward half, defensive half, attacking midfield and defensive midfield adding more than what the heat maps show.

Where players line up. Where players are situated for bounces and stoppages have a factor on DPP additions. The biggest one for this that have been found this year is that a lot of wingers are getting a lot of ball in the back half, despite not playing as a defender. More on that later.

It is a mix of the above and looking into other stats that can help finalise decisions such as centre bounce attendances, game play for different teams, among others.

[ossie85]

If we were going to have a salary cap we should be mimicking the AFL as closely as possible.

We should be able to pay our players whatever we want, for as long as we want.

We shouldn't be able to poach players still under contract, but we should be able to trade our players any time we want (at their current rate) if the other team picks up their contract.

Then we've got to ask if we can front load contracts and all that. Shouldn't be a problem if done correctly, but we shouldn't be able to sign WXV contracts longer than players are AFL contracted for.

Can't happen that way because our players have no free will

Identifying a player's initial value will be nearly impossible. Sure, you could base it on prior averages but that doesn't cover everything.

The initial value is the average. The market would determine actual value

How do you maintain a full list of 40 and rookies, poach players and keep it all under the cap?

There would be heaps of scenarios where teams have poached a few players or lost a few and your either under the cap but don't have a full list (which is required) or vice versa

Unless you end up trading equal value overall for equal value, you're going to have less or more than 40 on the list, which means some teams will have to have 40+ while some under 40

Almost sounds like a completely new XV comp needs to be created to roll this out from the beginning, because a change like this is going to undo a lot of hard work from previous years for all of us

It would be done before the draft and list lodgements and trade periods. Plenty of time to get under the cap. The minimum might not apply here anymore either.



Just remember not changing something is a decision in itself that will impact the competition going forward.

I think you'll find, especially when the fine details are ironed out, this will add to the enjoyment of the game. Minimal impact to the teams, while allowing desperate teams to fix themselves without relying on the kindness of others

Anyone poaching pays a price. If they don't think it is worth that price, they won't do it.

[Levi434]

Wouldn't this mean we'd have to increase the salary cap every year?

[ossie85]

Wouldn't this mean we'd have to increase the salary cap every year?

I wouldn't think so? SC scores are constant.

If you don't have enough money, you can't afford to poach or pick a player

The trick being getting the salary cap right

[Purple 77]

Wouldn't this mean we'd have to increase the salary cap every year?

I wouldn't think so? SC scores are constant.

If you don't have enough money, you can't afford to poach or pick a player

The trick being getting the salary cap right

Well, if we use SC as an example, they have 10 mill for 30 players.

For arguments sake, lets say the most common starting team consists of:

13 premos; 3 mid pricers and 14 rookies.

Probably just add the salary that is allocated to that 14 rookies, and would you have our salary cap for 44 players?

[RaisyDaisy]

Each individual player doesn't have their own price right?

What about positions? We would need to break down the groups, but lets say we have 450-500k

Is a 450-500k defender worth more than a 450-500k mid? I would think so, so how does that get included in the valuations?

The dollar value groupings would need to be tight too Can't just have something like 400-500k, because the high end up players in that group are much better than the low end, but that would value them the same

[Levi434]

Wouldn't this mean we'd have to increase the salary cap every year?

I wouldn't think so? SC scores are constant.

If you don't have enough money, you can't afford to poach or pick a player

The trick being getting the salary cap right

I mean to be able to keep "homegrown" players?

As cool/uncool as poaching can be, the comp shouldn't completely change to a poaching league. There should still be other ways to build a team.

So if a team decides to build entirely through the draft, they should be able to structure their team so only 3-4 players are out of contract at a time and the cap should allow them to keep their own players.

[Purple 77]

I'd love to introduce a worth-while incentive to keep drafted players btw, either included in a cap or separate.

"Homegrown" or "one-club" players should attract a loyalty bonus IMO

[Holz]

See my problem is this is getting very very complex very fast and actually takes more thought then the actual game. Really if you wanted to start the comp again it would be fine, but coaches plan years into the future and with drastic rule changes its kinda very unfair.

Really instead of a draft you would have an auction system where every player is bid on to establish prices. then the draft you would have salary based on where players are selected. If players are undervalued others will bid them up in the off season. If players are overvalued you can drop their salaries but then i think you should be at risk of getting poached with no opportunity to up the offer etc.. or just 1 oppurtunity.

so Selwood getting older i drop him from 1 million to 650k. someone bids 700k i can then raise him to 800k and if someone bids 850k then he moves.

this system would work fine and be totally fair. Implementing it now 5 years into a comp isnt.