WXV Discussion

[Holz]

That's where strategy comes into it.

Would it be better to let Rance go, considering he isn't of supreme average and try to save a forward?

Also, where did you get 19/20/21 from? Worst case 16/17/18 and considering you'll be top 3 there goes a pick.

Also keep in mind it's unlikely the higher ranked teams will be able to bid high, as they have to cover their own players. It's more likely they'll bid on younger guns.

because 18 teams. so if its a pick after my pick then im assuming i win (worse case) then i get 19,20,21.

but thats exactly another floor. established players have huge base salaries.

the system is too complex. so if we use 3 year average.

first up mids become overpriced. a 100 defender is worth twice as much as a 100 mid.

secondly age works against players.

Joel Selwood has a 3 year average of 113.
marcus Bontempelli has a 3 year average of 96
how do you value Jaeger Omera.
Jacob Weiteiring is valued at 65

I still don't know where you got picks 19-21 from. It would be first round picks.

3 year average takes away injury prone years which i think is nore accurate

18 teams in the comp. If Hawks get a first round compo and they win they get the pick after 18 dont they?

If you read what was said holz, the team who poached the player would have to give you its first round pick. So it will be somewhere between 1 and 18 (barring priority)

ok my bad, missed that point.

so really its a big difference if the wooden spooner or if say the 10th placed team poaches my players.

[Levi434]

Tagging, Salary, Gameplans, training, weather, early season trades.

I REALLY want Tagging, Confidence, Weather and Gameplans introduced to Worlds. Heck, I could even get behind the salary cap.

We have a great comp... adding strategy is only a good thing, and I'm for it.

But I think the obstacle that none of these ideas will overcome, is that 1) on the whole, people are resistant to change, and 2) WXVs would start to look like something entirely different than to what everyone signed up for. Whether that's for the better or worse doesn't matter, it's borderlining on a new game, when everyone wanted to play Worlds as it is.

But I can't stress enough, I'd love to see some, if not all, of these ideas implemented. I'm just pessimistic about whether they'll voted to come in  :-\

How about we just have a trial week(s) where we just give EVERYTHING a go?

I think people wouldn't be opposed to trying out a few new rules and they would be more likely to pass a rule change if they've had a look at it.

We could easily hold it in week 2 and/or 3 of finals. It may take away a bit from finals, but I think it is worth it to get the rules 100%.

[Holz]

Tagging, Salary, Gameplans, training, weather, early season trades.

I REALLY want Tagging, Confidence, Weather and Gameplans introduced to Worlds. Heck, I could even get behind the salary cap.

We have a great comp... adding strategy is only a good thing, and I'm for it.

But I think the obstacle that none of these ideas will overcome, is that 1) on the whole, people are resistant to change, and 2) WXVs would start to look like something entirely different than to what everyone signed up for. Whether that's for the better or worse doesn't matter, it's borderlining on a new game, when everyone wanted to play Worlds as it is.

But I can't stress enough, I'd love to see some, if not all, of these ideas implemented. I'm just pessimistic about whether they'll voted to come in  :-\

How about we just have a trial week(s) where we just give EVERYTHING a go?

I think people wouldn't be opposed to trying out a few new rules and they would be more likely to pass a rule change if they've had a look at it.

We could easily hold it in week 2 and/or 3 of finals. It may take away a bit from finals, but I think it is worth it to get the rules 100%.

rules to add strategy i would support as long as the control of your players is obtained. So tag, flood, confidence all you want.

something like a hot streak for a player where they cant score below 75% of their monthly average for example. So if Rory Sloane is on fire going 130 140 120 130 he is the on a hot streak and if he scores a 70 in real life he gets bumped up to 98.

[Purple 77]

Tagging, Salary, Gameplans, training, weather, early season trades.

I REALLY want Tagging, Confidence, Weather and Gameplans introduced to Worlds. Heck, I could even get behind the salary cap.

We have a great comp... adding strategy is only a good thing, and I'm for it.

But I think the obstacle that none of these ideas will overcome, is that 1) on the whole, people are resistant to change, and 2) WXVs would start to look like something entirely different than to what everyone signed up for. Whether that's for the better or worse doesn't matter, it's borderlining on a new game, when everyone wanted to play Worlds as it is.

But I can't stress enough, I'd love to see some, if not all, of these ideas implemented. I'm just pessimistic about whether they'll voted to come in  :-\

How about we just have a trial week(s) where we just give EVERYTHING a go?

I think people wouldn't be opposed to trying out a few new rules and they would be more likely to pass a rule change if they've had a look at it.

We could easily hold it in week 2 and/or 3 of finals. It may take away a bit from finals, but I think it is worth it to get the rules 100%.

Hmm, dunno. I'd like to try it out, but I want the finals to be all about the teams involved, as they've earned the spotlight.

I'd happily do it in private, and release the results after the finals results have been announced, then post it in this thread even, as part of the argument "for" these rules?

Or I could do it publicly if people were fine with that too.

something like a hot streak for a player where they cant score below 75% of their monthly average for example. So if Rory Sloane is on fire going 130 140 120 130 he is the on a hot streak and if he scores a 70 in real life he gets bumped up to 98.

Another interesting idea!

[meow meow]

No.

[meow meow]

I mean yes.

[meow meow]

Cairo flowered themselves by giving me Blakely for nothing. Self inflicted. They shouldn't be able to steal Gibbs just because they're crap at this game and somebody wants it to be even.

[meow meow]

A well thought through salary cap and contract system would add another interesting layer of strategy to this fine competition.

[Torpedo10]

A well thought through salary cap and contract system would add another interesting layer of strategy to this fine competition.

[Levi434]

If people are against running the trial at the same time as the finals, we could wait until offseason and just do a silly thing where players get a random score from their past 2 seasons to try out some rules.

Otherwise I have no problem with doing it in private/public whatever is chosen.

I simply think it's a better idea to try the rules this season opposed to waiting for next years NAB.

[meow meow]

Having to give up a first round draft pick is all well and good but doesn't it favour the top teams too much? If I am paying Sandi 400K do you think Cairo would give up 600K and pick 1 for him, or would Mexico City be more likely to part way with the cashola and the pathetic pick?

[Holz]

Having to give up a first round draft pick is all well and good but doesn't it favour the top teams too much? If I am paying Sandi 400K do you think Cairo would give up 600K and pick 1 for him, or would Mexico City be more likely to part way with the cashola and the pathetic pick?

Correct and i would hate top teams poachimg from me more then bottom teams

[meow meow]

If we were going to have a salary cap we should be mimicking the AFL as closely as possible.

We should be able to pay our players whatever we want, for as long as we want.

We shouldn't be able to poach players still under contract, but we should be able to trade our players any time we want (at their current rate) if the other team picks up their contract.

Then we've got to ask if we can front load contracts and all that. Shouldn't be a problem if done correctly, but we shouldn't be able to sign WXV contracts longer than players are AFL contracted for.

[RaisyDaisy]

This is sounding more and more complex with plenty of intricacies that probably haven't even been identified yet. By the time it has been flushed out and every scenario has been considered with it's correlating rules this could get way too big

I don't mind the idea of using a salary cap at all, but I do mind if it's going to make things really complex

Finding a way to simplify this and make it fair to all is going to be the real challenge, and may not even be possible

[meow meow]

Just whipped up a quick salary cap.

700   1   700
650   4   2600
440   5   2200
330   5   1650
220   6   1320
80    19  1520
        40  9990

Got 19 players on minimum wage since none of them are worth a first round draft pick so nobody would be poaching them.
Is Ben Reid worth 495K and a first round pick? Would anyone pay 1.05 million for Gibbs? 975K for Stringer, Breust, Hartlett or Stevens? Maybe. Maybe not. Interesting.