WXV Discussion

[GoLions]

but again if you were to use a committee
would it be made up of current WXV coaches?
if so when they pass or reject trades why do they have a say over the rest

(i know because there chosen but my point i'm trying to say)
if the problem is that too many reject and too many pass

isn't that what your post before was about if we cannot trust the coaches already should they be coaching?

(i.e if you think the way some value players is wrong or look at trades is wrong do you doubt there ability to have a team then? )

then when one is rejected will ppl not complain?

in the euro I actually dont have a formal committee. I have about 5-6 people I trust and most of them are active so i either jump on chat on send a PM if im unsure of a trade I normally get a response. Not everyone is in the euro but everyone I speak too knows DT. I put alot of effort into looking at trades myself, I read reports from a few sources to get an informed decision, analyse the numbers etc..  this is on the 10% of trades i think are questionable or if anyone PMs me.

and that is a great job you do in euro's
but in WXV's if we were to make a committee
what is to stop complaints when they have made a decision?
what makes it different to now
(i see in term of turn around it will be quicker by i'm referring to the overall satisfaction of the outcome in regards to rejection of trades)


(* enjoy the discussion we have going here i'm on my last day off after having the week off and your doing a fantastic job of giving me some good discussion and awesome reading and overall something to pass the time ;) )

we can negotiate it though. the frustrating thing is 4 people think you won 4 people think you lost now negotiate. I have had quite a few times when i had no clue what i needed to do to get it passed.

in my system if its 2 v 2 then i pass the trade if its say 4 v 1 then i talk to the winning team to negotiate and normally we get it done in a few PMs.

I do get complaints by the way via PM but i discuss it as its not 18 peoples opinion i need to juggle its just a few.

thats the big difference.

I personally actually dont complain if a trade is rejected with say 7 say im winning by too much (ok i do but not much)

i complain when i get the 4 wins 4 loss stuff and then frustrated that i cant fix it.

Yeah IMO that stuff should pass if it's fairly even with people saying different sides winning a trade

[Ricochet]

but again if you were to use a committee
would it be made up of current WXV coaches?
if so when they pass or reject trades why do they have a say over the rest

(i know because there chosen but my point i'm trying to say)
if the problem is that too many reject and too many pass

isn't that what your post before was about if we cannot trust the coaches already should they be coaching?

(i.e if you think the way some value players is wrong or look at trades is wrong do you doubt there ability to have a team then? )

then when one is rejected will ppl not complain?

in the euro I actually dont have a formal committee. I have about 5-6 people I trust and most of them are active so i either jump on chat on send a PM if im unsure of a trade I normally get a response. Not everyone is in the euro but everyone I speak too knows DT. I put alot of effort into looking at trades myself, I read reports from a few sources to get an informed decision, analyse the numbers etc..  this is on the 10% of trades i think are questionable or if anyone PMs me.

and that is a great job you do in euro's
but in WXV's if we were to make a committee
what is to stop complaints when they have made a decision?
what makes it different to now
(i see in term of turn around it will be quicker by i'm referring to the overall satisfaction of the outcome in regards to rejection of trades)


(* enjoy the discussion we have going here i'm on my last day off after having the week off and your doing a fantastic job of giving me some good discussion and awesome reading and overall something to pass the time ;) )

we can negotiate it though. the frustrating thing is 4 people think you won 4 people think you lost now negotiate. I have had quite a few times when i had no clue what i needed to do to get it passed.

in my system if its 2 v 2 then i pass the trade if its say 4 v 1 then i talk to the winning team to negotiate and normally we get it done in a few PMs.

I do get complaints by the way via PM but i discuss it as its not 18 peoples opinion i need to juggle its just a few.

thats the big difference.

I personally actually dont complain if a trade is rejected with say 7 say im winning by too much (ok i do but not much)

i complain when i get the 4 wins 4 loss stuff and then frustrated that i cant fix it.

Yeah IMO that stuff should pass if it's fairly even with people saying different sides winning a trade

Yeh that's a very fair point

[Ringo]

but again if you were to use a committee
would it be made up of current WXV coaches?
if so when they pass or reject trades why do they have a say over the rest

(i know because there chosen but my point i'm trying to say)
if the problem is that too many reject and too many pass

isn't that what your post before was about if we cannot trust the coaches already should they be coaching?

(i.e if you think the way some value players is wrong or look at trades is wrong do you doubt there ability to have a team then? )

then when one is rejected will ppl not complain?

in the euro I actually dont have a formal committee. I have about 5-6 people I trust and most of them are active so i either jump on chat on send a PM if im unsure of a trade I normally get a response. Not everyone is in the euro but everyone I speak too knows DT. I put alot of effort into looking at trades myself, I read reports from a few sources to get an informed decision, analyse the numbers etc..  this is on the 10% of trades i think are questionable or if anyone PMs me.

and that is a great job you do in euro's
but in WXV's if we were to make a committee
what is to stop complaints when they have made a decision?
what makes it different to now
(i see in term of turn around it will be quicker by i'm referring to the overall satisfaction of the outcome in regards to rejection of trades)


(* enjoy the discussion we have going here i'm on my last day off after having the week off and your doing a fantastic job of giving me some good discussion and awesome reading and overall something to pass the time ;) )

we can negotiate it though. the frustrating thing is 4 people think you won 4 people think you lost now negotiate. I have had quite a few times when i had no clue what i needed to do to get it passed.

in my system if its 2 v 2 then i pass the trade if its say 4 v 1 then i talk to the winning team to negotiate and normally we get it done in a few PMs.

I do get complaints by the way via PM but i discuss it as its not 18 peoples opinion i need to juggle its just a few.

thats the big difference.

I personally actually dont complain if a trade is rejected with say 7 say im winning by too much (ok i do but not much)

i complain when i get the 4 wins 4 loss stuff and then frustrated that i cant fix it.

Think you also have to factor in the Dublin factor Holz. Should not come into it though.   And with 18 coaches voting the chances are certain coaches would view trades differently to another coach. We seen that quite a few times when Purple announced result.   

[Holz]

can i propose a change to the system.

when you vote you vote either

-1 team A wins
0 even
1 team B wins

so if it gets 5 A votes 4 B votes and 9 neutrals instead of getting 9 rejects and it auto failing it counts as 1 vote A wins by too much and it auto passes.

would prefer -2
-1
0
1
2

but thats probably too involved without a comitee

[Purple 77]

can i propose a change to the system.

when you vote you vote either

-1 team A wins
0 even
1 team B wins

so if it gets 5 A votes 4 B votes and 9 neutrals instead of getting 9 rejects and it auto failing it counts as 1 vote A wins by too much and it auto passes.

would prefer -2
-1
0
1
2

but thats probably too involved without a comitee

Will have to wait until the end of the year if any change is to happen; the decision has been made. But I don't mind this way of looking at it, say -2 is really disagree, -1 is I do disagree etc. Worth remembering!

As a query Purps how many times during the season did we not have all coaches voting by Wednesday. 

Well, without looking into it, excluding the last month, all votes were easily in by Thursday, and quite a few by Wednesday. The last month we had two votes go into Saturday iirc.

[DazBurg]

can i propose a change to the system.

when you vote you vote either

-1 team A wins
0 even
1 team B wins

so if it gets 5 A votes 4 B votes and 9 neutrals instead of getting 9 rejects and it auto failing it counts as 1 vote A wins by too much and it auto passes.

would prefer -2
-1
0
1
2

but thats probably too involved without a comitee

that is actually a simple and really good idea

[Holz]

can i propose a change to the system.

when you vote you vote either

-1 team A wins
0 even
1 team B wins

so if it gets 5 A votes 4 B votes and 9 neutrals instead of getting 9 rejects and it auto failing it counts as 1 vote A wins by too much and it auto passes.

would prefer -2
-1
0
1
2

but thats probably too involved without a comitee

Will have to wait until the end of the year if any change is to happen; the decision has been made. But I don't mind this way of looking at it, say -2 is really disagree, -1 is I do disagree etc. Worth remembering!

isn't it soo obvious that we should just introduce it.

the negatives is it abit more work for you. however can gurantee would reduce arguments, so actually less work.

the only reason im my mind a person wouldnt want this system is if they are too lazy or dont put enough effort into voting that instead of Yes or Now its A Even or B. If thats the case then really they should be removed from voting.

can we think about introducing it? happy to hear if anybody can find a flaw in the idea to say why, but i cant see any.

as to not stack votes teams shouldn't be able to vote on their own trades. that covers the only flaw.

im talking -1 0 1.

the -2 -1 0 1 2 im happy to wait to go for a vote next offseason.

[Purple 77]

All votes are in... (also, just one coach left to go in Rivalry preferences)

There is (kinda) an even spread though. So what I'm in the process of doing now, is I asked the two coaches whom voted a certain option (the least polled), to vote for another option in the hope of having a clearer outcome.

The leading option has 8 votes, but I want at least half the comp to agree on one option.

[Ringo]

If still inclusive have a revote of the Top 2 options,  That is democratic with the bottom 3 falling out.

[Holz]

If still inclusive have a revote of the Top 2 options,  That is democratic with the bottom 3 falling out.

Democratic would be the one torp and  i voted for ;)

technically everyone other one is undemocratic.

[Purple 77]

Big thanks to Ada for re-doing the banners in the Rulebook thread, looks great  8)

[Purple 77]

Rival preferences are in.

These were how many times each time was nominated (FIRST = nominated as first preferene, etc)


TEAM      FIRST   SECOND   THIRD   ALL
Beijing Thunder    1   3   3   7
Berlin Brewers   1   0   0   1
Buenos Aires Armadillos    0   1   0   1
Cairo Sands    3   1   1   5
Cape Town Cobras    1   0   0   1
Christchurch Saints    0   1   2   3
Dublin Destroyers    2   0   2   4
London Royals    1   1   0   2
Mexico City Suns    0   1   0   1
Moscow Spetsnaz    1   1   1   3
New Delhi Tigers    1   4   1   6
New York Revolution    0   2   1   3
Pacific Islanders    0   0   2   2
PNL Reindeers    2   0   3   5
Rio de Janeiro Jaguars    1   1   0   2
Seoul Magpies    1   0   1   2
Tokyo Samurai    0   0   0   0
Toronto Wolves    3   0   0   3


Ada hasn't coached a game, yet was named main rival by 3 different teams!

Cairo was also named main rival 3 times, but that makes sense ;) :P

Tokyo officially the team that no one has a problem with, not being nominated once!

Beijing nominated the most. Does their improvement pose a threat I wonder?


I don't quite wanna match up yet, as there are 4 teams where none of their 3 preferences nominated them in return, so I'm gonna PM those teams and give them a chance to choose again if they wish, or let me allocate them a rival.

[GoLions]

Cairo was also named main rival 3 times, but that makes sense ;) :P

Cause we have top bantz. Except Nige.

[Holz]

Cairo was also named main rival 3 times, but that makes sense ;) :P

Cause we have top bantz. Except Nige.

More importantly easy beats :P

[GoLions]

Cairo was also named main rival 3 times, but that makes sense ;) :P

Cause we have top bantz. Except Nige.

More importantly easy beats :P

Nah it's definitely the bantz.