WXV Discussion

[Purple 77]

My two cents...

I personally think it is fine as is, but it does attract a lot of complaining.

The same results would be achieved IMO with a committee, but with the potential of less complaining. I also think we could streamline the process with a committee, perhaps (like someone said... I think it was Ric) having a Wednesday deadline in addition to the Sunday deadline. But it would be potentially an ask for the other 4 people on the committee.

If we were to have a committee, I don't mind either way if I choose it or the coaches do.

[Ringo]

My 2 cents worth :

Just enhancing what we have now:
We have a trades review committee of 5. Administrator and 4 nominees,
Coaches vote by Tuesday weekly.
Trades committee to review any trades requiring review on Wednesday.
If 4 or less votes against trade passes
4 - 7 votes trade is reviewed by trades committee. If any of trades committee teams are involved they are excluded from voting. If as a result of this that decision results in tied vote Administrator has a casting vote.
8 votes or more against trade automatically rejected.

Do not think we need the 2 periods just shorten the voting time and if all are aware.  Would suggest though rather than a Sunday deadline we have a Saturday midnight deadline with vote being sent out on Sunday. This should then allow most coaches to meet the Tuesday deadline. 

[Ricochet]

The same results would be achieved IMO with a committee, but with the potential of less complaining. I also think we could streamline the process with a committee,

^^

We need to go to Wed and Sun. Other comps you usually wait what 3-4 days for a result on trades. I know if it gets any longer in Asians then ppl start asking about them. In worlds if you put a trade in on Monday you can still wait 7-8 days even with a Tuesday vote deadline.

Needs to go to Wed and Sun

[Ringo]

Am in 2 minds here Rico and if Purps is happy with sending votes out twice a week then may be ok.  May get rid of what we seen in the trade period with the number of trades being posted Sunday nights.

One thing I would hate to see though is Worlds trading become similar to other XV's. Like to keep the competitions different.

[Ricochet]

One thing I would hate to see though is Worlds trading become similar to other XV's. Like to keep the competitions different.

100% agree man ^
But i reckon we have plenty of other awesome features in worlds that make it such a better comp (salary cap, all the different in season rules,  unlimited trades, 3 different drafts, etc), so this wouldn't matter too much

[Holz]

One thing I would hate to see though is Worlds trading become similar to other XV's. Like to keep the competitions different.

100% agree man ^
But i reckon we have plenty of other awesome features in worlds that make it such a better comp (salary cap, all the different in season rules,  unlimited trades, 3 different drafts, etc), so this wouldn't matter too much

100% disagree

The voting is the only bad thing with this comp everything else is great. Dont be bad for the sake of being different

[Holz]

if you want forwards you know where to come.

Christchurch.

I didn't expect Jack Steele to retain forward DPP but vandenBerg gained it as expected. Alex Neal-Bullen is a good chance, along with Clay Smith and Ryan Lester.

Leigh Montagna
Shaun McKernan
Luke Breust
Jake Stringer
Toby McLean
Tory Dickson
Ben Reid
Jed Anderson
Jack Steele
Aaron vandenBerg
Will Hoskin-Elliott
Jeff Garlett
Kyle Langford
Conor McKenna
Mason Cox
Ryan Lester ?
Clay Smith ?
Alex Neal-Bullen ?

Massive depth but no stars.

Stringer yes
Monty yes but old

You should come asking Dublin.

[Ricochet]

One thing I would hate to see though is Worlds trading become similar to other XV's. Like to keep the competitions different.

100% agree man ^
But i reckon we have plenty of other awesome features in worlds that make it such a better comp (salary cap, all the different in season rules,  unlimited trades, 3 different drafts, etc), so this wouldn't matter too much

100% disagree

The voting is the only bad thing with this comp everything else is great. Dont be bad for the sake of being different

Thats... kinda what i was saying...
Its awesome becuase its different but we can look at changing this part of it and it will still be different

[Holz]

One thing I would hate to see though is Worlds trading become similar to other XV's. Like to keep the competitions different.

100% agree man ^
But i reckon we have plenty of other awesome features in worlds that make it such a better comp (salary cap, all the different in season rules,  unlimited trades, 3 different drafts, etc), so this wouldn't matter too much

100% disagree

The voting is the only bad thing with this comp everything else is great. Dont be bad for the sake of being different

Thats... kinda what i was saying...
Its awesome becuase its different but we can look at changing this part of it and it will still be different

Was disagree with Ringo post Rico.

Not you.

[RaisyDaisy]

Do we think it's possible to come up with a system where voting doesn't exist?

Teams can do their own trades without having to satisfy the other teams, just like real AFL,  but perhaps just Admin monitor trades to prevent blatant rorting? I guess trades that admin have serious concerns over could then go a committee or all teams as per the current system

Considering all the discussion we've had about this I'm thinking we look at this option, or just leave it as is. After all we didn't have a huge amount of negs anyway and we're never going to be eliminate the complaining completely

[Ringo]

In my opinion the real flaw in the system is there is too much pressure on Administrator who has to decide fate of trades when we have 3 - 8 votes against.  This is why I am proposing to take the pressure of Admin by having a trades review committee as outlined in my original post and then only having them review when we have 4 - 7 votes against.

Thinking further on RD proposal will something like this work. 
Trades are posted
Coaches have 48 hours to object to the trade - Trade is automatically confirmed if 3 or less objections received.
If 4 or more coaches object to Admin giving reasons and then Admin or Trade committee will rule on the trade.

[RaisyDaisy]

Not sure your initial idea of having the committee vote on Wednesdays will work because we just cant guarantee all 18 coaches could vote by the Tuesday deadline, but your alternative about reversing the system so that coaches don't necessarily need to vote on every trade, only ones they disapprove within 48 hours sounds like it could work

With that being said, I agree with Rico that we need the Sunday and Wednesday close off dates, so if we go down this path I think it becomes a little unrealistic to expect all 18 teams to be able to vote twice a week within 72 hour blocks. If we introduce the two close off days each week, then I think we have to go with the option of a committee, or what Ringo said about all trades essentially auto passing and only then being reviewed (by admin only or a committee) if enough people publicly object within 48 hours

[Purple 77]

Ha, Griffen mid only. People thought I was crazy when I told them I didn't think he'd get defense status :P

Wells being a M/F is yet another win for Mexico City  ::)

Oxley mid only is a kick in the guts for New Delhi

Conca M/F is handy for New York

[Ricochet]

We'll be right ;)
We actually needed more mids and he was only D4

[Nige]

We'll be right ;)
We actually needed more mids and he was only D4

I know those feels.  :P