WXV Discussion

[Ricochet]

New Delhi
Surname   Given   Club   Games   Points   Ave
Zorko   Dayne   Berlin Brewers   10   1057   105.70
Montagna   Leigh   New Delhi Tigers   30   3119   103.97
Rockliff   Tom   Dublin Destroyers   17   1733   101.94
Dal Santo   Nick   Dublin Destroyers   17   1726   101.53
Duncan   Mitch   New Delhi Tigers   16   1545   96.56

The fact that we once had these players and no longer do makes me sad

[elephants]

New Delhi
Surname   Given   Club   Games   Points   Ave
Zorko   Dayne   Berlin Brewers   10   1057   105.70
Montagna   Leigh   New Delhi Tigers   30   3119   103.97
Rockliff   Tom   Dublin Destroyers   17   1733   101.94
Dal Santo   Nick   Dublin Destroyers   17   1726   101.53
Duncan   Mitch   New Delhi Tigers   16   1545   96.56

The fact that we once had these players and no longer do makes me sad

I read that, cried, read it again and cried more. So depressing.

[ossie85]

Salary Cap

Ok. I've tried to make it simpler (or more streamlined), and taking in all feedback:

- All players you have played less than 10 games over the last 3 years are given a price of $100,000
- All players Average from the last 3 years is multiple by 5,000 (magic number) to get a salary
- Defender salaries are multiplied by 1.05, Rucks by 1.1 and Forwards by 1.15 - To compensate for them scoring less and being less available. Positions based on 2014, if they change for 2015, the salary DOESN'T CHANGE. Just to make it simpler. All defender-midfielders considered defenders, forward-midfielders are forwards, ruck-forwards are rucks and defender-forwards are forward.


The top 20 players in the comp are now:

Surname   Given   Club   SalaryAdj
Ablett   Gary jnr   Sao Paulo Pumas   $672,000
Dangerfield   Patrick   Seoul Magpies   $645,000
Pendlebury   Scott   Toronto Wolves   $627,000
Harvey   Brent   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $589,000
Selwood   Joel   Dublin Destroyers   $589,000
Beams   Dayne   Cairo Sands   $588,000
Cox   Dean   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $580,000
Watson   Jobe   Dublin Destroyers   $579,000
Franklin   Lance   Dublin Destroyers   $575,000
Kennedy   Josh P   Cape Town Cobras   $574,000
Maric   Ivan   Mexico City Suns   $573,000
Goldstein   Todd   Dublin Destroyers   $567,000
Minson   Will   Sao Paulo Pumas   $567,000
Swan   Dane   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $564,000
Riewoldt   Nick   Mexico City Suns   $562,000
Sandilands   Aaron   Mexico City Suns   $561,000
Chapman   Paul   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $560,000
Pavlich   Matthew   Mexico City Suns   $557,000
Martin   Dustin   Moscow Spetsnaz   $557,000
Roughead   Jarryd   Sao Paulo Pumas   $554,000


The Salaries for each team are:

PNL Reindeers   $15,431,000
Toronto Wolves   $15,073,000
Buenos Aires Armadillos   $14,705,000
Mexico City Suns   $14,366,000
Sao Paulo Pumas   $14,354,000
Dublin Destroyers   $14,299,000
London Royals   $14,083,000
Cape Town Cobras   $13,900,000
Tokyo Samurai   $13,715,000
Cairo Sands   $13,697,000
Pacific Islanders   $13,694,000
Wellington Warriors   $13,600,000
Berlin Brewers   $13,522,000
New York Revolution   $13,248,000
Moscow Spetsnaz   $12,981,000
Seoul Magpies   $12,561,000
New Delhi Tigers   $12,172,000
Beijing Thunder   $11,533,000



Average of $13.7m per team. Given all teams will have retirements and delistings, reckon $14m is fine.

I mean, we've already lost these players:

Glass   Darren   Beijing Thunder   $350,000
Clark   Mitch   Berlin Brewers   $443,000
King   Jake   Berlin Brewers   $363,000
Cox   Dean   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $580,000
Scotland   Heath   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $474,000
Bock   Nathan   Cape Town Cobras   $100,000
Bootsma   Joshua   Dublin Destroyers   $215,000
Brown   Jonathan   London Royals   $396,000
Williams   Tom   Moscow Spetsnaz   $306,000
Cassisi   Domenic   New Delhi Tigers   $348,000
Rutten   Ben   New Delhi Tigers   $291,000
Maxwell   Nick   Seoul Magpies   $368,000
Maister   Beau   Seoul Magpies   $285,000
Hayes   Nick   Toronto Wolves   $100,000
Hayes   Lenny   Wellington Warriors   $498,000
Byrnes   Shannon   Wellington Warriors   $309,000

Which is $5.426m, which would bring the average down to about $13.4m just from those, with a promise of many more to come. Happy to discuss though!



So, I'd see it working like this:

Trade Period 1

Our everyday normal trading period. No limits, and if you don't want to care about the salary cap, you don't have to.

First List Lodgements

This is the time where you'd delist any players that are deadwood.

Each club will also have 'Free Agents', players who have played 10 games in Home & Away reserves. If you want to guarantee these players don't get snapped up, you need to increase their salary by 25%. A list of Free agents are attached.

Teams who wish to decrease a player's value can do so here. I.e. Buenos Aires saying 'I want to decrease Swan's salary to $400k'. If any coach wants to pay that price (or any price up to his original salary), Buenos Aires will be forced to either match the maximum bid, keep him at his original price, or let him go (to be compensated with a draft pick).

Free Agency

All delisted players will be up for auction, with a $100,000 minimum reserve.

All players who have played 10 games in Home & Away reserves are up for grabs, unless they have had a 25% pay increase. Again these will go up for auction, with a reserve price of 50% more than current salary (if a player has a salary of $300,000, the bidding starts at $450,000).

Any team who is over the $14m cap, can have players poached until they are UNDER the salary cap. If say PNL are on $14.3m, and other clubs express interest in 4 of its players, PNL can choose which player (or players) they'd be willing to let go to get under the cap. This player (or players) would be also go up for Auction.  PNL would then be compensated with a draft pick (to be worked out).

No team can go over the $14m cap if they are buying players.


Trade Period 2

Again limited restrictions, except this time you can not go over the $14m value. If you are still over this value, you can not trade for more players unless it reduces your salary.

2nd List Lodgements

Final delistings, etc, to determine draft order

Drafts

International, preseason and rookie

3rd Trade Period After Positions are Finalised

Like previous years, only 1 for 1 trades (or 2 for 2, 3 for 3, 4 for 4). Only because of positional changes, and again same salary restrictions apply.




.... I think we've nutted it out?





Current Free Agents

(1 reserves match to go, so these are the players who have played 9 games or more. It will be 10 or more after next round).



Surname   Given   Club   Reserves Matches   SalaryAdj
Carlile   Alipate   Beijing Thunder   10   $307,000
Grimes   Dylan   Berlin Brewers   9   $286,000
Close   Michael   Buenos Aires Armadillos   9   $243,000
Chaplin   Troy   Cairo Sands   16   $393,000
Crowley   Ryan   Cairo Sands   16   $288,000
Laidler   Jeremy   Cairo Sands   13   $313,000
Clarke   Justin   Cairo Sands   13   $306,000
Impey   Jarman   Cairo Sands   13   $282,000
Rowe   Sam   Cairo Sands   12   $353,000
Bennell   Jamie   Cape Town Cobras   14   $250,000
Reid   Sam B   Cape Town Cobras   9   $352,000
Delaney   Luke   Dublin Destroyers   15   $250,000
Frost   Sam   Dublin Destroyers   13   $328,000
Green   Joshua   Dublin Destroyers   11   $346,000
Jetta   Neville   Dublin Destroyers   11   $274,000
Martin   Brodie   Dublin Destroyers   9   $305,000
Brown   Mitchell J   London Royals   14   $227,000
Lonergan   Tom   London Royals   12   $274,000
Tuohy   Zach   London Royals   11   $315,000
Gardiner   Darcy   London Royals   9   $263,000
Blicavs   Mark   Mexico City Suns   14   $358,000
Merrett   Daniel   Mexico City Suns   12   $397,000
Lemmens   Sean   Mexico City Suns   12   $210,000
Firrito   Michael   Mexico City Suns   10   $372,000
Hombsch   Jack   Moscow Spetsnaz   10   $368,000
Bail   Rohan   New Delhi Tigers   14   $302,000
Horlin-Smith   George   New Delhi Tigers   12   $324,000
Cassisi   Domenic   New Delhi Tigers   11   $348,000
Dawson   Zac   New Delhi Tigers   9   $246,000
Schofield   Will   New York Revolution   11   $343,000
Young   Aaron   New York Revolution   10   $230,000
Frost   Jack   Pacific Islanders   16   $291,000
Brown   Luke   Pacific Islanders   13   $299,000
Sheppard   Bradley   Pacific Islanders   13   $289,000
Hurley   Michael   Pacific Islanders   11   $421,000
Stanley   Rhys   Pacific Islanders   11   $337,000
Day   Sam   Pacific Islanders   10   $312,000
Grundy   Heath   PNL Reindeers   12   $373,000
Goldsack   Tyson   PNL Reindeers   11   $344,000
Dawes   Chris   PNL Reindeers   11   $362,000
Casboult   Levi   PNL Reindeers   11   $350,000
Patton   Jonathon   PNL Reindeers   10   $335,000
Merrett   Zachary   PNL Reindeers   10   $348,000
McKenzie   Brad   PNL Reindeers   10   $212,000
Wallis   Mitch   Sao Paulo Pumas   13   $377,000
Stringer   Jake   Sao Paulo Pumas   10   $330,000
Adams   Taylor   Sao Paulo Pumas   10   $367,000
Paparone   Marco   Sao Paulo Pumas   10   $297,000
Macaffer   Brent   Seoul Magpies   13   $289,000
Hocking   Heath   Seoul Magpies   12   $335,000
Keeffe   Lachlan   Seoul Magpies   12   $326,000
Russell   Luke   Seoul Magpies   9   $296,000
Kennedy   Adam   Tokyo Samurai   10   $305,000
Rivers   Jared   Tokyo Samurai   9   $352,000
Jamison   Michael   Toronto Wolves   13   $328,000
Jonas   Thomas   Toronto Wolves   13   $291,000
Shaw   Matt   Toronto Wolves   12   $330,000
Morris   Steven   Toronto Wolves   12   $293,000
Hall   Aaron   Toronto Wolves   11   $351,000
Litherland   Angus   Toronto Wolves   11   $292,000
Morris   Dale   Wellington Warriors   11   $316,000
Thompson   Rory   Wellington Warriors   10   $341,000
Foley   Nathan   Wellington Warriors   9   $396,000

[Holz]

I really like the cap ossie and i don't mind cutting a few of my players to fit under the cap and can see it balancing the comp abit, but is free agency definitely on or are you still floating that idea. Personally im really against free agency.

just because it can hit certain teams harder. I know its bias but Dublin will be hit probably the hardest of any comp. For one I have young players so bottom teams will poach my guys. Someone poaching Todd Goldstein would basically end my team and the only way I can stop it is to cut some of my players who I have built up.

[Nige]

All but one of our free agents are or will be defenders next season.

To get something for them, we'd have to retain them (by upping their salary by 25%) and then trade them, is that right?

[ossie85]

Holz at the moment you are only $300k over, so it would be extremely unlikely that someone would be able to poach Goldstein

As for people poaching depth,  you have the option of keeping any player you want by increasing his salary.  But the point of a cap is so that others can get more depth. Beijing could only field 14 last week

[CrowsFan]

Really like this amended version to be honest. Correct me if I read it wrong, but as far as I can see the only players you can lose to poaching are those that you haven't played enough in the seniors, so really won't be missed that much if people take them...

Although in saying that, maybe one other addition to the rule could be that to be free agents they have to be over a certain age, ie 22 or 23. I only say this because in the AFL you only become a free agent once you have been at a club for a while, so would be a bit harsh to lose youngsters who aren't scoring well enough yet to be in the team, but have massive potential. For example from my list Jake Stringer. I see him as a very important part of my future, but since he has only played 2 seasons he's not up to starting each week, but very handy backup. If I was to lose him because he didn't play enough it would be disappointing. I'm sure many teams will also have youngsters in similar positions...

[Justin Bieber]

Grundy   Heath   PNL Reindeers   12   $373,000
Goldsack   Tyson   PNL Reindeers   11   $344,000
Dawes   Chris   PNL Reindeers   11   $362,000
Casboult   Levi   PNL Reindeers   11   $350,000
Patton   Jonathon   PNL Reindeers   10   $335,000
Merrett   Zachary   PNL Reindeers   10   $348,000
McKenzie   Brad   PNL Reindeers   10   $212,000

Considering we want to keep our youngsters in Patton/Merrett, do we have to offer them 25% more to their salary to ensure we keep them. This may be tricky considering we're over the cap already.... Just say we're at 13.9 Mil after the first trading period, going under the 14 mil cap and teams want to grab Casboult/Patton/Merrett in Free Agency who we want to keep, we can't fight them off so we pretty much let them go for like nothing I assume (Just like draft pick consolation but we put in years into Patton and got him for #4) :-\. So letting him go even though we're under the cap would pretty much piss me off :P.

[Holz]

Holz at the moment you are only $300k over, so it would be extremely unlikely that someone would be able to poach Goldstein

As for people poaching depth,  you have the option of keeping any player you want by increasing his salary.  But the point of a cap is so that others can get more depth. Beijing could only field 14 last week

ok i get it now.

just a question. Brodie Martin will be playing in my seniors this week (like he did last week) this means he stays on 9 games. Does this also include finals or purely the home and away season becasue i might not play him in my finals squad if i get a few injured players back.

just think that should be the case as some teams arent playing finals so should keep it even. So want to make sure Martin isnt a free agent.

[Nige]

Oh, I just read it all again, there's a trade period before the free agency period so we can in fact trade some of our depth. Awesome!

[Holz]

Really like this amended version to be honest. Correct me if I read it wrong, but as far as I can see the only players you can lose to poaching are those that you haven't played enough in the seniors, so really won't be missed that much if people take them...

Although in saying that, maybe one other addition to the rule could be that to be free agents they have to be over a certain age, ie 22 or 23. I only say this because in the AFL you only become a free agent once you have been at a club for a while, so would be a bit harsh to lose youngsters who aren't scoring well enough yet to be in the team, but have massive potential. For example from my list Jake Stringer. I see him as a very important part of my future, but since he has only played 2 seasons he's not up to starting each week, but very handy backup. If I was to lose him because he didn't play enough it would be disappointing. I'm sure many teams will also have youngsters in similar positions...

people will need to pay 495k for stringer which is quite alot though so not sure people will do that.

[ossie85]

Happy to add an age limit also, 21 probably :)

[Justin Bieber]

Teams like Beijing and lower down will be able to afford them, especially if suit their long term plans Holz ;).

Think you'll have to enforce an age limit of maybe 22 Oss, just as a way to allow younger guys a few years in the system to mature and start scoring better. If that's the case I don't mind the new system!

Given, that is a heck of a lot of players PNL have to get rid off... 1.4 Mil worth :o.

[Toga]

That sounds cool Oz :)

[Ricochet]

by the end of this discussion, bottom teams won't be able to target any quality lol