WXV Discussion

[Justin Bieber]

By the looks of it NY would have been screwed and locked on the bottom if that trade went through.

It did go through :-X. Should be happy the guys over at PNL are too nice :(.

[elephants]

By the looks of it NY would have been screwed and locked on the bottom if that trade went through.

It did go through :-X. Should be happy the guys over at PNL are too nice :(.

Wishing FS and Torp traded with PNL when they set out to wreck New Delhi at the end of 2012 :P

[Nails]

By the looks of it NY would have been screwed and locked on the bottom if that trade went through.

It did go through :-X. Should be happy the guys over at PNL are too nice :(.

My excessive whinging saved NY imo ;)

[Justin Bieber]

By the looks of it NY would have been screwed and locked on the bottom if that trade went through.

It did go through :-X. Should be happy the guys over at PNL are too nice :(.

My excessive whinging saved NY imo ;)

Nope, we already planned to, just liked humouring people and acted like the bad guy :P. Twas fun.

[Nails]

By the looks of it NY would have been screwed and locked on the bottom if that trade went through.

It did go through :-X. Should be happy the guys over at PNL are too nice :(.

My excessive whinging saved NY imo ;)

Nope, we already planned to, just liked humouring people and acted like the bad guy :P. Twas fun.

my doging and moaning was in before the trade was even voted on :-X

You guys were naughty trying that. I told everybody Libba is GUN everybody say nope spud.

[DazBurg]

By the looks of it NY would have been screwed and locked on the bottom if that trade went through.

It did go through :-X. Should be happy the guys over at PNL are too nice :(.

My excessive whinging saved NY imo ;)

Nope, we already planned to, just liked humouring people and acted like the bad guy :P. Twas fun.

my doging and moaning was in before the trade was even voted on :-X

You guys were naughty trying that. I told everybody Libba is GUN everybody say nope spud.

nah we already planned to reverse as Ax regretted it

but yeah was quite frustrating because we were made to feel like we cheated when everyone could of easily voted against

seems like about 7 or 8 seemed to think it was not a good trade yet most passed it

worst thing for us is we reversed for Ax and pyro's sake and both don't even coach new york anymore  :(

[Nails]

But as you can see now LIBBA

was a huge one way trade :o I honestly couldn't believe it got passed even for a second lol.

[DazBurg]

But as you can see now LIBBA

was a huge one way trade :o I honestly couldn't believe it got passed even for a second lol.

yeah we were pretty happy with it to say the least
but that is why we reversed as Ax regretted and we couldn't blame him for that

damn you Ax why you at Tokyo now :(

[ossie85]

... ok...

I've made it more complicated :P But only how to work out salaries!

Holz brings a good point how salary cap over values mids. That is true. So bare with me.

For this analysis:

All defender-midfielders are considered defenders
All forward-midfielders are considered forwards
All ruck-forwards are considered rucks
All defender-forwards are considered forwards

Over the first 17 AFL rounds:

Defenders have played a total of 2001 AFL matches at an average of 70.30
Midfielders have played a total of 2193 AFL matches at an average of 82.02
Rucks have played a total of 451 matches at an average of 80.04
Forwards have played a total of 1691 matches at an average of 70.11

So I've adjusted each player's original salary I did before, but giving them a multiplier so they all equal the midfielders average:

Defenders salaries multiplied by 1.17, Mids by 1.00, rucks by 1.02 and forwards by 1.17

BUT there's a scarcity issue. Rucks are hard to come by (only 1.67 rucks available to fill the 1 ruck spot in each team), but forwards are even harder (only 6.26 forwards available to fill the 4 forward spots, or 1.57 for each forward spot). Defenders are at 1.85 per position, and midfielders 2.03. BUT as most people put midfielders on the interchange (66%) I had to adjust for that, with 13% of interchange players defenders, 12% ruck and 9% forwards (which really shows that it is forwards, not rucks, that are the problem).

So multiplied salaries again by a new multiplier (1.00 for defenders, 1.03 for midfielders, 1.20 for rucks and 1.17 for forwards) to compensate for that...


.... Basically the new salaries have substantially increased the value of forwards, and a bit less so for rucks. Which I think makes sense... The new top 20 salaries (again based on average from last 3 years):

Surname   Given   Club   SalaryAdj
Dangerfield   Patrick   Seoul Magpies   $768,000
Harvey   Brent   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $702,000
Franklin   Lance   Dublin Destroyers   $683,000
Ablett   Gary jnr   Sao Paulo Pumas   $672,000
Pavlich   Matthew   Mexico City Suns   $669,000
Martin   Dustin   Moscow Spetsnaz   $665,000
Chapman   Paul   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $663,000
Riewoldt   Nick   Mexico City Suns   $660,000
Roughead   Jarryd   Sao Paulo Pumas   $657,000
Cox   Dean   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $656,000
Rioli   Cyril   PNL Reindeers   $648,000
Maric   Ivan   Mexico City Suns   $639,000
Minson   Will   Sao Paulo Pumas   $632,000
Goldstein   Todd   Dublin Destroyers   $629,000
Pendlebury   Scott   Toronto Wolves   $628,000
Petrie   Drew   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $627,000
Sandilands   Aaron   Mexico City Suns   $626,000
Zorko   Dayne   Berlin Brewers   $621,000
Naitanui   Nic   Moscow Spetsnaz   $617,000
Gray   Robbie   Dublin Destroyers   $613,000

Midfielders aren't worth as much because they are freely available, and they score higher. I actually like this list a lot better, as forwards and rucks really are at a premium.

And the total salaries for each team:

PNL Reindeers   $17,060,000
Toronto Wolves   $16,496,000
Buenos Aires Armadillos   $15,838,000
London Royals   $15,604,000
Mexico City Suns   $15,590,000
Sao Paulo Pumas   $15,570,000
Dublin Destroyers   $15,491,000
Pacific Islanders   $15,247,000
Cape Town Cobras   $15,101,000
Tokyo Samurai   $15,034,000
Cairo Sands   $14,863,000
Wellington Warriors   $14,832,000
Berlin Brewers   $14,764,000
New York Revolution   $14,226,000
Moscow Spetsnaz   $14,190,000
Seoul Magpies   $13,542,000
New Delhi Tigers   $12,946,000
Beijing Thunder   $12,536,000


Which is a very interesting new table....

London's very high, pretty much because they have players like Hudson ($556k), Brown ($471k) and Q Lynch ($464k) who will all be gone next year, and plenty of other players like Bellchambers ($492k), Staker ($524k) and J Hill ($460k) who have all had disappointing years really. I wouldn't panic if I was London.

Other's that are high like PNL and Toronto are because they have a fair few forwards and rucks, and have great depth in general. While the only other abnormally high salary is Pacific - who actually have a whopping 12 forwards and rucks worth $400k or more.


I like these salaries better, what are your thoughts?

Will be working on a toned down 'poaching' strategy also....

Big 5 at each club:

Kreuzer   Matthew   Beijing Thunder   $576,000
Betts   Eddie   Beijing Thunder   $511,000
Mayes   Sam   Beijing Thunder   $487,000
Wines   Oliver   Beijing Thunder   $428,000
Varcoe   Travis   Beijing Thunder   $423,000


Zorko   Dayne   Berlin Brewers   $621,000
Kennedy   Josh J   Berlin Brewers   $545,000
Fyfe   Nat   Berlin Brewers   $539,000
Clark   Mitch   Berlin Brewers   $527,000
Jetta   Lewis   Berlin Brewers   $497,000



Harvey   Brent   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $702,000
Chapman   Paul   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $663,000
Cox   Dean   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $656,000
Petrie   Drew   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $627,000
Schulz   Jay   Buenos Aires Armadillos   $571,000



Breust   Luke   Cairo Sands   $594,000
Beams   Dayne   Cairo Sands   $586,000
Mumford   Shane   Cairo Sands   $585,000
Giles   Jonathan   Cairo Sands   $504,000
Prestia   Dion   Cairo Sands   $477,000



Kennedy   Josh P   Cape Town Cobras   $575,000
Hawkins   Tom   Cape Town Cobras   $550,000
Cotchin   Trent   Cape Town Cobras   $549,000
Higgins   Shaun   Cape Town Cobras   $533,000
Darling   Jack   Cape Town Cobras   $530,000



Franklin   Lance   Dublin Destroyers   $683,000
Goldstein   Todd   Dublin Destroyers   $629,000
Gray   Robbie   Dublin Destroyers   $613,000
Selwood   Joel   Dublin Destroyers   $586,000
Watson   Jobe   Dublin Destroyers   $579,000



Mayne   Chris   London Royals   $559,000
Hudson   Ben   London Royals   $556,000
Edwards   Shane   London Royals   $539,000
Staker   Brent   London Royals   $524,000
Winderlich   Jason   London Royals   $494,000




Pavlich   Matthew   Mexico City Suns   $669,000
Riewoldt   Nick   Mexico City Suns   $660,000
Maric   Ivan   Mexico City Suns   $639,000
Sandilands   Aaron   Mexico City Suns   $626,000
Waite   Jarrad   Mexico City Suns   $572,000



Martin   Dustin   Moscow Spetsnaz   $665,000
Naitanui   Nic   Moscow Spetsnaz   $617,000
Monfries   Angus   Moscow Spetsnaz   $533,000
Griffen   Ryan   Moscow Spetsnaz   $528,000
Ward   Callan   Moscow Spetsnaz   $528,000



Montagna   Leigh   New Delhi Tigers   $519,000
Podsiadly   James   New Delhi Tigers   $496,000
Palmer   Rhys   New Delhi Tigers   $479,000
Giansiracusa   Daniel   New Delhi Tigers   $454,000
Hampson   Shaun   New Delhi Tigers   $443,000



Cloke   Travis   New York Revolution   $574,000
Nicholls   Tom   New York Revolution   $528,000
Liberatore   Tom   New York Revolution   $507,000
Bennell   Harley   New York Revolution   $487,000
Pyke   Mike   New York Revolution   $486,000



Blair   Jarryd   Pacific Islanders   $550,000
Leuenberger   Matthew   Pacific Islanders   $543,000
Howe   Jeremy   Pacific Islanders   $535,000
Howlett   Ben   Pacific Islanders   $535,000
de Boer   Matthew   Pacific Islanders   $533,000



Rioli   Cyril   PNL Reindeers   $648,000
Westhoff   Justin   PNL Reindeers   $606,000
Griffin   Jonathon   PNL Reindeers   $560,000
Lobbe   Matthew   PNL Reindeers   $539,000
Wingard   Chad   PNL Reindeers   $533,000



Ablett   Gary jnr   Sao Paulo Pumas   $672,000
Roughead   Jarryd   Sao Paulo Pumas   $657,000
Minson   Will   Sao Paulo Pumas   $632,000
Jacobs   Sam   Sao Paulo Pumas   $601,000
Gunston   Jack   Sao Paulo Pumas   $571,000




Dangerfield   Patrick   Seoul Magpies   $768,000
McEvoy   Ben   Seoul Magpies   $592,000
LeCras   Mark   Seoul Magpies   $580,000
McGlynn   Ben   Seoul Magpies   $517,000
Ballantyne   Hayden   Seoul Magpies   $500,000



Dahlhaus   Luke   Tokyo Samurai   $587,000
Parker   Luke   Tokyo Samurai   $579,000
Tippett   Kurt   Tokyo Samurai   $567,000
Jack   Kieran   Tokyo Samurai   $538,000
Motlop   Steven   Tokyo Samurai   $517,000



Pendlebury   Scott   Toronto Wolves   $628,000
Ryder   Paddy   Toronto Wolves   $599,000
Riewoldt   Jack   Toronto Wolves   $598,000
Robinson   Mitch   Toronto Wolves   $580,000
Adams   Leigh   Toronto Wolves   $528,000



Walker   Taylor   Wellington Warriors   $595,000
McIntosh   Hamish   Wellington Warriors   $561,000
Deledio   Brett   Wellington Warriors   $535,000
Sylvia   Colin   Wellington Warriors   $535,000
Murphy   Marc   Wellington Warriors   $519,000

[Nige]

You're right, that's complicated.

I don't understand it at all.  :-[

Then I saw Giles is our 'big 5' and got even more mindflowered.  :-X

[DazBurg]

so forwards are most scarce?
well seems we are screwed in poaching then

be interested to see how it is going to work
as basically it seems our 1 trade advantage is having alot of fowards

[Justin Bieber]

Remember the scores are based on 2013 averages Nigey :P. Why Wingard/Griffin is high up on our one despite less than stellar years from them. Oss handles all the harder work, but pretty much just made it for the system to take into account scarcity of forwards in the league compared to other positions (as well as Defenders/Rucks as well in general). As the other system would value mainly mids highly.

I understand it, I just don't like it because PNL are once again on top of the highest salaries :P.

[Nails]

Remember the scores are based on 2013 averages

somebody didn't read what ossie typed.

[ossie85]

Close hp, averages from 2012 to 2014

[Justin Bieber]

Let me be, I'm struck down with a cold that won't go away :'(.