Tom Rockliff v Jobe Watson

Started by _wato, December 20, 2013, 06:14:49 PM

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eaglesman

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Running with Watson myself, mostly just based on my gut. Think he underperformed due to injury and distractions. Rockliff will get better two, but will now always cop the number 1 tag too, tjink he will handle it ok, but its not something he has had to deal with constantly before.

Rockliff won't be first tagged, because he is basically one of those players not worth tagging because of his teammates. Rich and Hanley will be first tagged, just like Heppell and Stanton etc at Essendon.

No chance that any team will leave rich alone.
Agreed. Rocky is a gun but he isn't devestating like Rich and Hanley can be if left untagged. Rocky is an accumulator but not as damaging so far more likely to be left untagged. Will still cop a tag on occasion though so will be interesting to see how he copes

He'll cope as easy as you like, shouldn't be a problem for Rocky. Love how he's starting to get noticed now even if it comes at an effect to his scores, has been a jet for awhile now

IMO i think rocky will most definitely struggle with a tag. But its just whether the tag comes or not. Rich certainty for tag and then it is either him or hanley .... not that it would happen but i dont think rocky would crack 60/70sc if crowley went to him

Holz

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Running with Watson myself, mostly just based on my gut. Think he underperformed due to injury and distractions. Rockliff will get better two, but will now always cop the number 1 tag too, tjink he will handle it ok, but its not something he has had to deal with constantly before.

Rockliff won't be first tagged, because he is basically one of those players not worth tagging because of his teammates. Rich and Hanley will be first tagged, just like Heppell and Stanton etc at Essendon.

No chance that any team will leave rich alone.
Agreed. Rocky is a gun but he isn't devestating like Rich and Hanley can be if left untagged. Rocky is an accumulator but not as damaging so far more likely to be left untagged. Will still cop a tag on occasion though so will be interesting to see how he copes

He'll cope as easy as you like, shouldn't be a problem for Rocky. Love how he's starting to get noticed now even if it comes at an effect to his scores, has been a jet for awhile now

IMO i think rocky will most definitely struggle with a tag. But its just whether the tag comes or not. Rich certainty for tag and then it is either him or hanley .... not that it would happen but i dont think rocky would crack 60/70sc if crowley went to him

Why do you say that he has a good tank is quick he won't go 160 if tagged but I think he could go 105+ with a hard tag

strikes91

didn't he get tagged by jackson and pumped out a 130 ?

eaglesman

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Quote from: Holzman on January 02, 2014, 06:14:49 PM
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Quote from: dmac07 on December 22, 2013, 05:45:32 PM
Running with Watson myself, mostly just based on my gut. Think he underperformed due to injury and distractions. Rockliff will get better two, but will now always cop the number 1 tag too, tjink he will handle it ok, but its not something he has had to deal with constantly before.

Rockliff won't be first tagged, because he is basically one of those players not worth tagging because of his teammates. Rich and Hanley will be first tagged, just like Heppell and Stanton etc at Essendon.

No chance that any team will leave rich alone.
Agreed. Rocky is a gun but he isn't devestating like Rich and Hanley can be if left untagged. Rocky is an accumulator but not as damaging so far more likely to be left untagged. Will still cop a tag on occasion though so will be interesting to see how he copes

He'll cope as easy as you like, shouldn't be a problem for Rocky. Love how he's starting to get noticed now even if it comes at an effect to his scores, has been a jet for awhile now

IMO i think rocky will most definitely struggle with a tag. But its just whether the tag comes or not. Rich certainty for tag and then it is either him or hanley .... not that it would happen but i dont think rocky would crack 60/70sc if crowley went to him

Why do you say that he has a good tank is quick he won't go 160 if tagged but I think he could go 105+ with a hard tag

just my personal feel of rocky mate ... for too long this bloke has pretty much been allowed to do his own thing, i cant believe the actual amount of freedom he gets ... crowley like tag he will not crack 100 guaranteed! and if he goes 105 with a tag are u happy picking him up for that price mate? surely not

Holz

Quote from: eaglesman on January 02, 2014, 07:01:19 PM
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Quote from: dmac07 on December 22, 2013, 05:45:32 PM
Running with Watson myself, mostly just based on my gut. Think he underperformed due to injury and distractions. Rockliff will get better two, but will now always cop the number 1 tag too, tjink he will handle it ok, but its not something he has had to deal with constantly before.

Rockliff won't be first tagged, because he is basically one of those players not worth tagging because of his teammates. Rich and Hanley will be first tagged, just like Heppell and Stanton etc at Essendon.

No chance that any team will leave rich alone.
Agreed. Rocky is a gun but he isn't devestating like Rich and Hanley can be if left untagged. Rocky is an accumulator but not as damaging so far more likely to be left untagged. Will still cop a tag on occasion though so will be interesting to see how he copes

He'll cope as easy as you like, shouldn't be a problem for Rocky. Love how he's starting to get noticed now even if it comes at an effect to his scores, has been a jet for awhile now

IMO i think rocky will most definitely struggle with a tag. But its just whether the tag comes or not. Rich certainty for tag and then it is either him or hanley .... not that it would happen but i dont think rocky would crack 60/70sc if crowley went to him

Why do you say that he has a good tank is quick he won't go 160 if tagged but I think he could go 105+ with a hard tag

just my personal feel of rocky mate ... for too long this bloke has pretty much been allowed to do his own thing, i cant believe the actual amount of freedom he gets ... crowley like tag he will not crack 100 guaranteed! and if he goes 105 with a tag are u happy picking him up for that price mate? surely not

Because he won't cop the tag all the time. Rich will get the Crowley Raines tag. If he is tagged I'm hoping he goes 100-110 than throw in some few 125-140s and he goes 115 - 120 and I'm happy.

_wato

Yeah I agree Holzman. I think of Ryan Griffen and what he did this year as to what we can expect next year from Rockliff.

Average between 115-120 as you said with the high end ceiling scores such as the 140+ but also the games where he'll get the hard tag and only score 80~

If you are of the same thinking, Rockliff will end up top 8 and have a good year. If you want to spend $591k for a bloke who should average much higher he's pretty much good value.

eaglesman

Quote from: _wato on January 02, 2014, 09:22:41 PM
Yeah I agree Holzman. I think of Ryan Griffen and what he did this year as to what we can expect next year from Rockliff.

Average between 115-120 as you said with the high end ceiling scores such as the 140+ but also the games where he'll get the hard tag and only score 80~

If you are of the same thinking, Rockliff will end up top 8 and have a good year. If you want to spend $591k for a bloke who should average much higher he's pretty much good value.

can i say ... i still might pick rocky haha .... i however do not see him averaging 115-120 ... if he actually did that i would lock him in this second right now

_wato

Quote from: eaglesman on January 02, 2014, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: _wato on January 02, 2014, 09:22:41 PM
Yeah I agree Holzman. I think of Ryan Griffen and what he did this year as to what we can expect next year from Rockliff.

Average between 115-120 as you said with the high end ceiling scores such as the 140+ but also the games where he'll get the hard tag and only score 80~

If you are of the same thinking, Rockliff will end up top 8 and have a good year. If you want to spend $591k for a bloke who should average much higher he's pretty much good value.

can i say ... i still might pick rocky haha .... i however do not see him averaging 115-120 ... if he actually did that i would lock him in this second right now

Haha I must say I'm a little bit wary also on Rockliff going that high, would much rather Watson in my team for now and wait to see how Rockliff will end up compared with the top 8 mids, only $10k more so probably underpriced

Vinny

Rocky is a given, if the back half of the year hasn't convinced you then I don't even know. Rich/Black have always got the tag, he won't get it every game but when he does I think he'll do alright.

I will take a 160 150 70.

His best makes up for these proposed tag effected scores that haven't even happened yet.

GoLions

Quote from: vinny on January 02, 2014, 10:09:22 PM
Rocky is a given, if the back half of the year hasn't convinced you then I don't even know. Rich/Black have always got the tag, he won't get it every game but when he does I think he'll do alright.

I will take a 160 150 70.

His best makes up for these proposed tag effected scores that haven't even happened yet.
Rich/Hanley**

That's the thing though, when he goes big, he goes BIG, making him a great C/VC option as well.

Vinny

Sorry my bad, my mind still wishes Black was still playing :'(

GoLions

Quote from: vinny on January 02, 2014, 10:12:15 PM
Sorry my bad, my mind still wishes Black was still playing :'(
You're not the only one :'(

kilbluff1985

anyone taking Brisbanes draw into account?

Vinny

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on January 02, 2014, 10:18:00 PM
anyone taking Brisbanes draw into account?

Nope, he proved himself against difficult teams already.

Bones Bombers

With the predicted scores I've been seeing for some players I think they must growing another leg over preseason!
If he gets a hard tag and still tons up that'll be awesome, and if he scores 140 every time he isn't tagged he's a freak. Will be better than Gaz in no time.