WXV 2014 Rule Changes: Open Forum

[Holz]

Just thought of a concern regarding the resting rule.

Since the top clubs are also playing in the Champions League we can't really choose to rest a player against a weaker team since we then go in with a weaker team against a club from one of the other leagues and risk losing that match. This will then affect all the clubs later in the season when the WC is played...

thinking either i just take the scores as they stand without the sub or possibly just keep it and clubs will need to decide if they want to go hard for the champs/world cup. Just like in the soccer some teams rest players in the champsions league etc.. and go for the league title.

[ossie85]

Just thought of a concern regarding the resting rule.

Since the top clubs are also playing in the Champions League we can't really choose to rest a player against a weaker team since we then go in with a weaker team against a club from one of the other leagues and risk losing that match. This will then affect all the clubs later in the season when the WC is played...

thinking either i just take the scores as they stand without the sub or possibly just keep it and clubs will need to decide if they want to go hard for the champs/world cup. Just like in the soccer some teams rest players in the champsions league etc.. and go for the league title.

^ if Buenos Aires rest Dane Swan, he should nominate the player that is coming in for him.

His Champions League score is then calculated as if Dane Swan is playing.

The next week, the 10% bonus is removed?

Fair?

[JBs-Hawks]

Nah it should just be the risk the top teams take

[ossie85]

^ we can discuss the above more, but official results!

14 coaches votes (with Pacific, Buenos Aires, New York and Toronto not voting).

Resting

Approved. 8-6

Some details to smooth out with how Champions League scores are calculated. But basically, it will be:

- Is completely optional
- A player nominates which player (only one per week) they would like to rest.
- This player MUST play AFL that week.
- You can't rest a player if you can't field a team. If you don't have anymore emergencies to complete a team during the round, the rested player will be the next person in at QUARTER points and they will no longer be rested.
- For purposes of my processing, a Rested player's score WILL count in the Reserves.
- The rested player MUST play the next round (avoids coaches 'resting' players not in best XV).


Bank

Failed. 2-12

Gamble

Failed. 2-12

Co-Captains

Approved. 14-0

You have the option of either:
- Picking a Captain and Vice-Captain as per normal
- Picking 2 Co-Captains, no Vice-Captain

If picking Co-Captains, each captain's score is multipled by 1.5 (rounded up). If one Co-Captain doesn't play,  the other Co-Captain acts as the sole captain and has the score multipled by 2.

Substitute

Approved. 13-1

Coaches choose before the round starts whether they want to use it or not.

If they use it, any player who starts with a green vest, or is red vested in the first half, will be replaced by an emergency. This can happen for up to 3 players.

Standard emergency rules apply, and can only be replaced by an emergency in the same position.

If no suitable emergency is available, instead of having a player OOP, the player WILL NOT be substituted and the sub score stands. (Heath Shaw is red vested in first half, but you don't have an interchange/emergency to replace him in defense, so his score stands)

A substituted player will have its score counted towards the Reserve team.

Flood

Approved. 9-5

The coach nominates when they submit the team if they want to use the 'Flood' strategy (3 forwards, 5 defenders). This can only be used 3 times a year, and can only be used if they have 5 defenders named in AFL team sheets.

Attack

Approved. 9-5

The coach nominates when they submit the team if they want to use the 'Attack' strategy (5 forwards, 3 defenders). This can only be used 3 times a year, and can only be used if they have 5 forwards named in AFL team sheets.

Go Tall

Fail. 3-11

Go Small

Fail. 4-10


Happy to discuss....

[Purple 77]

Disappointed about Flood and Attack. I'm all for it if you only have 3 forwards (or defenders) available, but if you have 6 forwards and 6 defenders ready to go, and you chose one of the options because it makes you stronger, then IMO it goes against one of the main key attributes of the WXVs, the structure (obviously). Everything you plan for is ultimately linked to the 4-4-1-4-2 structure, I think a lot of the fun is in trading so that you make sure you have those 4 defenders and 4 forwards available to play, and exciting (in a dreadful fun sort of way) if you have to play John Butcher as a F4 along with 14 capable players, because he was the only available.

But majority rules, and that's completely fair. I get the feeling that most will use it because of limited available players anyway.

[Toga]

All looks good I think Oz! :)

Purps, I get what you mean, but I assume that because the Flood/Attack strategies have now been approved there will be a chance for us to re-evaluate them at some point in the next 12 months if people find we don't like it?

[ossie85]

All looks good I think Oz! :)

Purps, I get what you mean, but I assume that because the Flood/Attack strategies have now been approved there will be a chance for us to re-evaluate them at some point in the next 12 months if people find we don't like it?

^ sounds like a good plan to re-evaluate.

[Ringo]

Agree to an extent with what purps is saying but am I correct in saying will only be allowed 3 times per year so these strategies will be exception rather than norm.  When to use them however will be the strategy in itself.

Just for clarification now all changes now to apply for this season.

[ossie85]

Agree to an extent with what purps is saying but am I correct in saying will only be allowed 3 times per year so these strategies will be exception rather than norm.  When to use them however will be the strategy in itself.

Just for clarification now all changes now to apply for this season.

Yep, live and kicking.

Will let our Preseason Grand Finalists test them out first :P

[Holz]

Not a fan of the flood or attack but will be interesting to see how people use it.

I'm going to do it every week basically with watts,

Kind or reduces the value of F/B players. Which were going for a premium for this reason.

[ossie85]

I'm going to do it every week basically with watts,

.... You can only do it 3 times a year.

And the Watts thing might not make sense?

If you have D D D and F F F F Watts, why wouldn't you play D D D Watts and F F F F?

[CrowsFan]

I think he was just saying he was going to swap Watts between forward and defense each week depending on where a 4th player was needed.

[HintT]

Disappointed about Flood and Attack. I'm all for it if you only have 3 forwards (or defenders) available, but if you have 6 forwards and 6 defenders ready to go, and you chose one of the options because it makes you stronger, then IMO it goes against one of the main key attributes of the WXVs, the structure (obviously). Everything you plan for is ultimately linked to the 4-4-1-4-2 structure, I think a lot of the fun is in trading so that you make sure you have those 4 defenders and 4 forwards available to play, and exciting (in a dreadful fun sort of way) if you have to play John Butcher as a F4 along with 14 capable players, because he was the only available.

But majority rules, and that's completely fair. I get the feeling that most will use it because of limited available players anyway.

This was my line of thinking irt the team structures too.

[CrowsFan]

Another question regarding the resting rule ossie...

Say I rest somebody one week then bring him back in and name him captain the following week. Does that 10% bonus include the captaincy or is it done separately? For example I rest Ablett then the following week he is captain and scores 120. Would his final score be 264 (bonus included) or 252 (bonus excluded)?

[ossie85]

252

All bonus/penalties applied independently